£350m a week for the NHS lie finally bites the dust

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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The EU is forcing immigration on us that is overcrowding our NHS. The EU is forcing foreign Doctors and nurses on us who can not even speak our language. Like the NHS but don't like immigration/EU is a massive demographic in the UK.
    Sorry, NHS overcrowding?

    You realise we don't have enough doctors?
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Yes, the question was not whether funding the NHS or not, but leaving the EU or not. As long as she has a majority, she can take the policies she wants.

    The "give 350m a week to the NHS" pledge had no value.
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    She claimed a big reason for cutting migration is that migration was a big factor in why people voted leave.

    Public services and the NHS was also a big factor, why is she not being consistent?*
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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    Don't you think it's a bit silly to dismiss a blatant lie from the Leave campaign, when the Remain campaign is also constantly dismissed as 'project fear', lies etc.? Both sides made stupid claims, most notably this from Leave and "leaving the EU could start WW3" from Remain. You can't argue that "'no one believed them" because it appears a lot of people did, and "giving 350m each week to our NHS" was practically the tag line of Leave (as was "take back control"). The fact that the NHS isn't getting a single penny more than before is evidence that the post-Brexit future may not be what people thought it would be. In the same vain, the fact that the sky hasn't caved in shows that Remain were also overblowing the fallout from the vote. Obviously the question on the ballot wasn't whether or not to give more funding to the NHS, but when people are told this is basically guaranteed to happen with a Leave vote, and then it doesn't happen, you can't just dismiss the claim like it wasn't even to be taken seriously in the first place (ironically people like Farage even admitted this wasn't true the day after the referendum) .
    Exactly.

    Saying 'you were an idiot for believe our lies' is hardly a valid justification for going back on your promises.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    May already announced she wouldn't be giving more money to the NHS, that's what this thread's about.
    no. Read my post and the link again..*

    There was no new funding announced in the autumn 2016 budget. *

    The That is still 2 years away from our first true post-brexit budget.*

    Of course there will be no new money for the NHS now.. we are still in the EU currently, and what ever the amount, we are still paying into it.. Infact we will still be in the EU for probably 2 years whilst negotiation is on-going, all the while still maintaining the status quo until all has been resolved.

    Just as we have not seen the true effects of brexit on our economy yet, we have also not seen its true effects on any part of our society/country, as it has not happened! it has only been announced to happen, and in fact.. as of right now, it has only been announced, when we will start the ball rolling. *

    Its why these threads are ridiculous. I fully expect there to be little more money for the NHS over the next few years, but right now this thread just misinterprets and sensationalizes whats actually happening. *
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The NHS is always a proxy for most of the issues the UK public ever vote on.

    Why do you think Leave bothered mentioning the NHS? For the lols? The EU is taking money that could be spent on the NHS. The EU is forcing immigration on us that is overcrowding our NHS. The EU is forcing foreign Doctors and nurses on us who can not even speak our language. Like the NHS but don't like immigration/EU is a massive demographic in the UK.

    Who do you think Teresa May is trying to appeal to when she adopts Miliband economic rhetoric with xenophobia and anti immigration stances? It's the above demographic.

    Do you also think the Leave vote had nothing to do with immigration as well? It's convenient for you to deny any love for the NHS since unlike the anti-immigration stuff you don;t really like the NHS.
    I do not have an opinion on the NHS. I am saying that May never promised anything regarding the NHS and the vote wasn't about it. Some politicians, whom she opposed, made a promise about the NHS in case of Brexit, but May isn't bound to it.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    She claimed a big reason for cutting migration is that migration was a big factor in why people voted leave.

    Public services and the NHS was also a big factor, why is she not being consistent?*
    She had already made several statements regarding immigration *before* Brexit. Moreover, cutting immigration doesn't cost the same as giving £50 additional million to the NHS every day, which is impossible.

    (Original post by JRKinder)
    The fact that the NHS isn't getting a single penny more than before is evidence that the post-Brexit future may not be what people thought it would be.
    Nobody knows what the post-Brexit future will be, not even in the government. They are still trying to figure what they want.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Exactly.

    Saying 'you were an idiot for believe our lies' is hardly a valid justification for going back on your promises.
    She never made these promises. It would have been different if Farage or Johnson had been PM.
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    People need to stop going to the hospital for the smallest things.
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    So Brexit destroyed our NHS !? GOOD .

    Its a fact only racist old people voted for Brexit and it is a fact old people rely on the NHS to survive... Those racists LITERALLY signed their own death certificates !!
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    (Original post by Josb)
    She never made these promises. It would have been different if Farage or Johnson had been PM.
    I expect Johnson, Fox, David Davis will put up a huge fight then? Perhaps even resigning out of protest given how much they campaigned about the NHS.

    Something tells me they won't...

    May's reasoning for cutting immigration is that it was a big reason for why people voted Brexit. The NHS pledge was also a big reason so why is that not being fulfilled when the immigration pledge is?
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    We will only have left the EU by 2019. You never know, those plans might go ahead. Besides, they didn't say the pat they "will" give £350million to the NHS, they said "let's give it to the NHS" so it was an idea, not a promise.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Theresa May has announced no more money for the NHS, despite widespread evidence of a massive crisis looming in both emergency and regular care, partly caused by the side effects of government cuts to social care for the elderly.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...tumn-statement

    This is the real Leave Britain - not a penny more for the NHS.

    Boris Johnson is not returning calls on the subject. Michael Gove is in hiding. Nigel Farage is at his luxury house in Brussels. The NHS is collapsing. :sad:

    Tory Britain. :rolleyes:
    All the smart people who voted leave. I was right. They will only realise what a stupid mistake they have made when they go to the NHS and possibly can't be treated due to cuts in the NHS budget etc and no more money for them. Even then, you will have some people who try to defend the leave vote. Leave campaigners don't understand the problems even if it hit them square in the face.


    Well done Leave voters. Good one.
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    (Original post by .........Jeff458)
    All the smart people who voted leave. I was right. They will only realise what a stupid mistake they have made when they go to the NHS and possibly can't be treated due to cuts in the NHS budget etc and no more money for them.
    No they wont. They will blame immigrants or something.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    No they wont. They will blame immigrants or something.
    Ahahahahaha that was too funny!!!
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    Anyone who has been in politics 5 minutes would know claiming we could will very quickly translate to we will, or at the very least create an idea that something is incredibly likely to happen. The Leave campaign created the assumption that if you voted for Brexit you were voting for higher NHS spending, despite having no intention or even the ability to carry this out. It was simply cynical public manipulation. It is pathetic watching people attempting to justify the claim on the basis of "well no one said it would happen......"
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Well, for something to be a lie it has to be states as a truth in the first place, sooo.... another non therad from the remoaning mob.
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    Perhaps the missing £350m a week can be deducted from Boris's hedge fund income.
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    Brexit has made the £350m unavailable!
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    How is it deemed a lie?

    The UK is still in the EU. The 350m was promised after you lot leave.
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    (Original post by .........Jeff458)
    All the smart people who voted leave. I was right. They will only realise what a stupid mistake they have made when they go to the NHS and possibly can't be treated due to cuts in the NHS budget etc and no more money for them. Even then, you will have some people who try to defend the leave vote. Leave campaigners don't understand the problems even if it hit them square in the face.


    Well done Leave voters. Good one.
    I think many Leave voters probably felt they were making a protest against the government and the 'establishment' - the latter doesn't really mean a lot any more, it's a sort of nebulous hate concept used by people like Farage. Even more ridiculous was to hear Gove (a member of the Establishment if ever there was one) declaring that all experts are wrong and worthless. This kind of confusion was deliberately used by the Leavers to manipulate the less educated voters and play into the UKIP agenda, which in turn was created by tax evaders and hedge fund interests.

    Also Leave voters probably in many cases felt comfortable voting Leave and felt like it was just an opportunity for a protest vote because there was an air of unreality to the campaign. The sad truth is though that it is real, very real and we have a government of extremists, tax evaders and ideological nincompoops to enact it.

    They expect us to sit back quietly and wave this madness through with little protest.

    If I hear more Leaver claiming there was a decisive majority in their bogus referendum and therefore "that is that".
 
 
 
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