America vs uK top Medical schools?

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    (Original post by GradeA*UnderA)
    Let's be honest, you're not making it to Harvard as an international student without A* in everything and outstanding extra-curricuars. You're in competition with people all over the world who'd have better grades and crazy MCAT scores. There's also the crazy amount of debt you'll accumulate.Furthermore, you wouldn't even be able to do a medicine degree straight away. Medicine is (nearly always) a graduate course in the US, so you'd have to do some science degree first.

    You'd have a much better shot at Cambridge, relative to Harvard.
    I agree i have a much better shot at Cambridge and i think with hard work i will realistically have a chance of getting into Cambridge but Harvard is beyond my efforts and the odds are against me...I JUST WANT TO BECOME A SURGEON IN THE US WHEN I'M OLDER,THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I CONSIDERED US UNIVERSITIES...Would i be disadvantaged if i moved from the UK as a surgeon to America?

    I do not want to fall into my dads position of being disadvantage(in his case from the uK to india...)...
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    (Original post by Nuba123)
    Just because your dad struggled doesn't mean you're going to I mean you are in a much better position that your dad was. Also, I think you'd have a decent chance at British unis as well - I would not totally rule it out. Have you visited America before? Did you like it? It would really be rubbish if once you get to that stage you don't like America. I wouldn't say the American system is better. Just because the training takes less time doesn't mean it well be exceptional. I think you should focus more on quality rather how long it would take. Also, it is a little bit early to really say though - I think things would become clearer once you have sat your GCSE's.
    I agree i have a much better shot at Cambridge and i think with hard work i will realistically have a chance of getting into Cambridge but Harvard is beyond my efforts and the odds are against me...I JUST WANT TO BECOME A SURGEON IN THE US WHEN I'M OLDER,THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I CONSIDERED US UNIVERSITIES...Would i be disadvantaged if i moved from the UK as a surgeon to America?

    I do not want to fall into my dads position of being disadvantage(in his case from the uK to india...)...
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    (Original post by VNN)
    I agree i have a much better shot at Cambridge and i think with hard work i will realistically have a chance of getting into Cambridge but Harvard is beyond my efforts and the odds are against me...I JUST WANT TO BECOME A SURGEON IN THE US WHEN I'M OLDER,THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I CONSIDERED US UNIVERSITIES...Would i be disadvantaged if i moved from the UK as a surgeon to America?

    I do not want to fall into my dads position of being disadvantage(in his case from the uK to india...)...
    I think your dad's case is different because he was taught in India. I don't see any issues arising if you studied here but decided to relocate to America I'm sure you'll not be the first. I can't really say whether you'll be disadvantaged or not but if you've graduated from Cambridge your future looks bright anyway.
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    (Original post by Nuba123)
    I think your dad's case is different because he was taught in India. I don't see any issues arising if you studied here but decided to relocate to America I'm sure you'll not be the first. I can't really say whether you'll be disadvantaged or not but if you've graduated from Cambridge your future looks bright anyway.
    Thanks.
    Which would you say is the best UK university?
    Oxford or Cambridge or even imperial?
    Which will most likely be recognised in the US?
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    (Original post by VNN)
    Thanks.
    Which would you say is the best UK university?
    Oxford or Cambridge or even imperial?
    Which will most likely be recognised in the US?
    Don't forget St Andrews, its one of the most popular UK universities with Americans.
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    Is there any other ivy league school that offer medical programs but are less competitive,as i previously mentioned i believe with hard work i can get into Cambridge but Harvard seem almost impossible...
    What but other countries...That are good for surgeons?

    Thanks for the links as well...
    The only Ivy League university that has an "undergraduate entry" program into Medicine is Brown and I am not even sure it is open to international applicants because my friends are all American. Most of the other Ivy Leagues are less competitive compared to Harvard if you go through the premed phase. I would say that Dartmouth and Brown have the "least" competitive Medicine programs in the Ivies. (List of Ivy League Medical Schools is below.

    You do know that there are private universities that are of Ivy League Quality outside of the Ivy League in America, such as Stanford, Duke, John Hopkins, University of Chicago etc... Some of these programs are more competitive than the Ivy League medical programs (Especially John Hopkins and Stanford, John Hopkins is very famous for pre-medicine and medicine). There are also many quality public medical schools as well such as the University of Michigan- Ann Arbor, UCLA, University of North Carolina- Chapel Hill etc... Other than that, there are also specialist graduate Medicine institutions such Icahn School of Medicine- Mount Sinai (If I remember clearly they also have a guaranteed medicine program but you have to apply in your second year of pre-med in the US)

    From talking to surgeons in my home country, they say that they generally find that German and American surgeons are of the highest quality. German universities have free tuition as well (I know money isn't an issue for you but it's a plus). Only thing is you have to learn German, but you do have time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...edical_schools
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    (Original post by VNN)
    Thanks.
    Which would you say is the best UK university?
    Oxford or Cambridge or even imperial?
    Which will most likely be recognised in the US?
    All of the one's you named + Edinburgh and St Andrews will probably be recognized and respected in the US.
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    (Original post by VNN)
    Is it true there is no direct medicine entry in the US....For example,Harvard medical school states there is?
    Where does it state that? On their website I just found lots of stuff about undergraduate courses they required for admission.
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    Assuming the OP is of Asian descent, the Ivies and other "elite" universities dicriminates against Asian applicants and they need higher SAT scores than white, black and latino applicants to get in.

    If the OP is Asian, they would stand a better chance at a Californian university like Stanford and UoC where selection based on race is illegal.
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    (Original post by VNN)
    Thanks.
    Which would you say is the best UK university?
    Oxford or Cambridge or even imperial?
    Which will most likely be recognised in the US?
    Oxford or Cambridge.

    I want to study medicine as well and I'm applying to Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh. This unis might not look great compared to oxbridge they're prestigious as well.
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    (Original post by Nuba123)
    Oxford or Cambridge.

    I want to study medicine as well and I'm applying to Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh. This unis might not look great compared to oxbridge they're prestigious as well.
    The US tends to like Scottish Universities.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Assuming the OP is of Asian descent, the Ivies and other "elite" universities dicriminates against Asian applicants and they need higher SAT scores than white, black and latino applicants to get in.

    If the OP is Asian, they would stand a better chance at a Californian university like Stanford and UoC where selection based on race is illegal.
    Very true. It's called affirmative action. smh
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    (Original post by VNN)
    I agree i have a much better shot at Cambridge and i think with hard work i will realistically have a chance of getting into Cambridge but Harvard is beyond my efforts and the odds are against me...I JUST WANT TO BECOME A SURGEON IN THE US WHEN I'M OLDER,THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I CONSIDERED US UNIVERSITIES...Would i be disadvantaged if i moved from the UK as a surgeon to America?

    I do not want to fall into my dads position of being disadvantage(in his case from the uK to india...)...
    It's a hassle that's not really worth it imo. Even when you become a consultant in the UK, they'll still force stupid exams down your throat.

    If you graduate from a 5/6 year course in the UK, you may go to the US to do some exam in preparation for residency, but if you do that, instead of practising as a doctor in the UK, I believe the government demands you pay a good sum of money to cover more costs of your medical tuition. Overall, it's a pretty *****y situation.
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    You haven't even completed your GCSEs and you're already thinking you're gonna get accepted into Cambridge.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Don't forget St Andrews, its one of the most popular UK universities with Americans.
    is Imperial college well known?
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    Assuming the OP is of Asian descent, the Ivies and other "elite" universities dicriminates against Asian applicants and they need higher SAT scores than white, black and latino applicants to get in.

    If the OP is Asian, they would stand a better chance at a Californian university like Stanford and UoC where selection based on race is illegal.
    I am south Asian...
    Really doubt there would be discrimination?
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    (Original post by wolfmoon88)
    The only Ivy League university that has an "undergraduate entry" program into Medicine is Brown and I am not even sure it is open to international applicants because my friends are all American. Most of the other Ivy Leagues are less competitive compared to Harvard if you go through the premed phase. I would say that Dartmouth and Brown have the "least" competitive Medicine programs in the Ivies. (List of Ivy League Medical Schools is below.

    You do know that there are private universities that are of Ivy League Quality outside of the Ivy League in America, such as Stanford, Duke, John Hopkins, University of Chicago etc... Some of these programs are more competitive than the Ivy League medical programs (Especially John Hopkins and Stanford, John Hopkins is very famous for pre-medicine and medicine). There are also many quality public medical schools as well such as the University of Michigan- Ann Arbor, UCLA, University of North Carolina- Chapel Hill etc... Other than that, there are also specialist graduate Medicine institutions such Icahn School of Medicine- Mount Sinai (If I remember clearly they also have a guaranteed medicine program but you have to apply in your second year of pre-med in the US)

    From talking to surgeons in my home country, they say that they generally find that German and American surgeons are of the highest quality. German universities have free tuition as well (I know money isn't an issue for you but it's a plus). Only thing is you have to learn German, but you do have time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...edical_schools
    Thanks again for the detailed info...

    Unfortunately i don't think i will be learning German!
    However,my dad says Australia is also a great place for surgeons,Is this true?

    Also,isn't Stanford part of ivy league,also university i seem to like in terms of campus,etc... such as caltech do not have a medical school,That's sad...
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    (Original post by VNN)
    I am south Asian...
    Really doubt there would be discrimination?
    Read up on Affirmative Action.
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    Where does it state that? On their website I just found lots of stuff about undergraduate courses they required for admission.
    So how exactly will the training be shorter in the US for surgeons if they have to do a pre-medical degree?
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    (Original post by VNN)
    is Imperial college well known?
    Yes it is, many of my American friends are applying to Imperial.
 
 
 
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