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    (Original post by Fenice)
    Not necessarily.

    Scotland Yard and the CPS conducted a thorough investigation and came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough evidence to mount any charges against any ministers or intelligence officers. After several years, nothing has changed. In the Wikileaks age, you are decided that a vast conspiracy between the top of government, the intelligence services and a foreign and utterly incompetent regime which has now been replaced by another has been miraculously successful in containing itself.

    Gaddafi was capable of the most absurdly fantastical claims. You are also implicitly suggesting that he voluntarily kept the very damaging information that Britain had broken international human rights laws loyally to himself when She had not only abandoned support for him but was actively bombing his army from the air. It is an absurd suggestion to anyone who has even a passing awareness of his personality.

    Your gut instinct is not more reliable than the English justice system.
    I've gathered from your past postings that you're on the left or consider yourself to be? Surprised then that you have such faith in the police and the courts and their notorious tendency to usurp the status quo and go against the governing interests, not.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I've gathered from your past postings that you're on the left or consider yourself to be? Surprised then that you have such faith in the police and the courts and their notorious tendency to usurp the status quo and go against the governing interests, not.
    Progressive views do not go hand in hand with tin foil hat conspiracy theories
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    Education Education Education

    His heart was in the right place, he had a good leadership style, good speaker. It's just so difficult that things got messy and the war was started. But he's still a good politician.

    Bring back Blair.
    Bring back Blair.
    We want Blair.

    The 90's </3
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    Is there any evidence that he explicitly advised on 'how to spin a massacre'? It seems that he was advising them in an economic capacity
    A spokeswoman for Blair said TBA’s work in Mangystau involved “no comms [communications] element.”She said he was hired to “help build capacity to attract investment and improve accountability as Mangystau sought to deliver better services for its citizens.” -RT
    Another quote from RT:
    The former PM told Nazarbayev to say the deaths, “tragic though they were, should not obscure the enormous progress” the country had made.

    Which I accept is open to many interpretations.*
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    Progressive views do not go hand in hand with tin foil hat conspiracy theories
    It's hardly in the same category. You presumably don't deny that they were rendited? Do you think MI6 would cooperate fully and truthfully in a criminal investigation against their operatives in relation to rendition? Do you think it's a mad conspiracy theory to conclude that they might well not do so?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's hardly in the same category. You presumably don't deny that they were rendited? Do you think MI6 would cooperate fully and truthfully in a criminal investigation against their operatives in relation to rendition? Do you think it's a mad conspiracy theory to conclude that they might well not do so?
    Whether extraordinary rendition occurred I don't know, but that would require the involvement of the British government. The justice system has decided that there is insufficient evidence to charge any relevant British party with extraordinary rendition. The sensible conclusion to draw is clear.

    Regarding this thread, one of the claims you have made and failed to substantiate is that Blair 'got to airmail women and children prisoners to Gaddafi for torture'. I am not going to base my opinion on someone on unsubstantiated might-well-be's.
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    At least Blair only fraternised with monsters for good reasons, like persuading them to give up their nuclear weapons. Corbyn accepted payments for appearing on the state TV station of a regime which routinely executes gays on cranes and achieved precisely nothing in doing so.
    Actually muammer gadaffi did good for his country.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Another quote from RT:
    The former PM told Nazarbayev to say the deaths, “tragic though they were, should not obscure the enormous progress” the country had made.

    Which I accept is open to many interpretations.*
    It should be pointed out that RT has a terrible reputation of journalistic integrity. It seems to be quoting The Times. I cannot read the full article because I am not a subscriber but the opening paragraphs seem to be telling a different story to what is reported here as far as Blair's role in this goes.
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    It should be pointed out that RT has a terrible reputation of journalistic integrity. It seems to be quoting The Times. I cannot read the full article because I am not a subscriber but the opening paragraphs seem to be telling a different story to what is reported here as far as Blair's role in this goes.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9689379.html
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    Bring Back Blair (I like the alliteration) suggests that he ever fully went away...
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    Blair has always favoured the carrot over the stick in trying to improve these sorts of regimes and working from inside. It is a policy that stripped Libya of its nuclear weapons and led to peace in Northern Ireland.

    Even if this story is true I am not sure it counts against him at all. Ultimately he is still trying to do good, just not in an obvious, self-publicising sort of way
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    you people have very short term memories
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    A Labour Party that wasn't an laughing stock lead by a joke of a man and which presided over an economy where getting a job was a piece of piss, where the NHS was funded like a rapper funds their bling collection, when the minimum wage was introduced, them getting elected was as inevitable as the sun rising and some Labourites are against it? No wonder their party is getting killed these days.
    This.

    Yet somehow the myth has taken root on the left that he was no different to Thatcher and Brown gets the blame for a global crash that started in America.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I miss the good old days.
    The hard left can't have it both ways. Most people on the hard left utterly opposed not only the intervention in Libya, but have opposed any sanctions against tyrants like Saddam and Ghaddafi. They say we should be friendly with them, trade with them, etc.

    And so Western governments are screwed if they do and screwed if they don't; if they sanction these regimes, the hard left attacks them. If they're friendly with regimes (like Saudi Arabia), the hard left attacks them.

    You need to make up your mind; do you want us to be friendly with these regimes or not? If Assad was supported by the West rather than Russia, is there any doubt that you people would be protesting day and night against the bombardment of Aleppo?

    Hard leftists have spent years claiming that the threat of terrorism is overblown, that if you bomb people they will radicalise, and yet they suddenly affect to be extremely concerned by extremists in Syria and support Assad and Russia's indiscriminate bombing. The level of hypocrisy is astounding, if Assad was armed by the West yet fighting the same enemies he would be crucified by Stop the War types
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    Very stupid that people are still supporting Tony Blair after all the bad things he has done. Not clever people at all indeed.
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    Blair is a war criminal, and should be and will be trialed.
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    Oh my God. You are the epitome of the behind the curve, depressing establishment still in love with an era that no-one worth their salt has any affection for.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Oh my God. You are the epitome of the behind the curve, depressing establishment still in love with an era that no-one worth their salt has any affection for.
    Jeremy Corbyn is out of touch. Blair made it his business to be in touch. It is unlikely that he would roll out a manifesto from the 1990s. What matters are his qualities.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Very stupid that people are still supporting Tony Blair after all the bad things he has done. Not clever people at all indeed.
    I suppose it's ultimately a matter of opinion. Who knew
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    Jeremy Corbyn is out of touch. Blair made it his business to be in touch. It is unlikely that he would roll out a manifesto from the 1990s. What matters are his qualities.
    No he's in touch with the fall of neoliberalism and stupid 'liberal interventionist' wars,which Blair would be fully committed to, alongside Hillary, plus, he would no doubt endorse, most disturbingly, a conflict with Putin that could spiral into a nuclear one.

    The man's government did infinite damage to this country, not to mention the union.
 
 
 
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