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    Important things to remember about how Obama will be remembered in history:

    - It takes a while before a historical consensus settles. Generally with a political leader, they are described negatively when they first leave office, and then there is a revisionism over time which puts them in a better light. Also sometimes decisions they took in office take a while before the true impacts are felt.

    - The real arbiters of how history will remember him are the people who had no real passionate view either for or against him. In any debate about Obama you will get some people who will give you chapter and verse about him being Muslim, bringing Communism to the US through healthcare etc, they are just the type that hated Obama from the start, probably hate Democrats and will never give an unbiased view. There will also I am sure be some hard core believers who will big him up whatever.

    My guess is the general view will be something like: a leader with charisma who gave a positive impression of the US in the world, inherited some very difficult circumstances given he took office right after the financial crisis, had a Congress that was determined to block him on everything but in the circumstances achieved some quite significant things. But the hope and yes we can stuff of his campaign was a level of optimism that wasn't followed up with radical reform (largely due to those circumstances) and so memories of Obama will always be tinged with a bit of a feeling of "he was ok...but not quite what we expected..."
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    (Original post by biglad2k16)
    First Muslim president
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    That graph is one dimensional and I think I've figured out why, Kennedy is on the libertarian wing of the republicans, like Ron Paul style, so some of his social policies would've been recorded as "liberal" when they aren't really, in a 1 dimensional view of politics I suppose they are but it's more complicated than that.
    Look at for example, Whole Woman's Health et al. v. Hellerstedt, Commisoner, Texas Department of State Health Services et al. This is a case about abortion where the court had to decide whether it was constitutional to require abortion centres to follow the same regulations as Outpatient Surgeries and have the ability to admit people to hospital within a 30 mile radius. Kennedy voted that it was illlegal for states to push regulation on abortion centres. Even Ron Paul believes that abortion regulation should be left up to the state. Kennedy is not conservative.
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    Awful, awful, awful. Was to be expected from a Democrat but words can't do justice to how much of a failure he was. Soft on immigration, tried to socialise healthcare, anti-gun, and attempted to destroy the traditional American culture. At least there's not long to go now before Trump gets in and things can go back to normal.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Awful, awful, awful. Was to be expected from a Democrat but words can't do justice to how much of a failure he was. Soft on immigration, tried to socialise healthcare, anti-gun, and attempted to destroy the traditional American culture. At least there's not long to go now before Trump gets in and things can go back to normal.
    More alt right banter, you lot are out in force tonight.

    How do you explain Franklin D Roosevelt, the greatest president of modern times being a democrat? I'm a huge Reagan fan but even I admit that he was overshadowed by Roosevelt,

    Let's also not forget good ol' Dubya who left Obama with a bit of a mess really, just the Great Recession and the Iraq war, no biggie
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Awful, awful, awful. Was to be expected from a Democrat but words can't do justice to how much of a failure he was. Soft on immigration, tried to socialise healthcare, anti-gun, and attempted to destroy the traditional American culture. At least there's not long to go now before Trump gets in and things can go back to normal.
    Please get banned already, your empty provocation is absolutely useless

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    Garbage president, he is the epitome of affirmative action, he got elected because he was black no doubt about it.

    People thought electing a black president would improve race relations and the African American community? Now we have the black lives matter movement, colleges with safe spaces excluding white people and an increase in single motherhood in the black community , as well as the continuation of the victim hood mentality.

    He's clearly anti 1st and 2nd amendment.

    Lets not even get into his foreign policy......

    The only way he can salvage his legacy is to come out 2 days before the election saying he transitioned and announce he is the first woman president.
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    dat smooov-talkin' soul brutha who lied and deceived his way into power, and kept himself there simply because tit romney was an unelectable mormon dude, man
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    He'll be remembered as "the dude from Thanks Obama"
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    The smiling assassin!
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    A media poser that reneged on most of his campaign pledges, racked up record national debt, and performed no better than most of the presidents before him.

    Oh who am I kidding, he'll be remembered as one of the best presidents ever! Just look how cool and funny he is!
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Probably worth saying that Obama is actually half cast.



    Obama is a practicing christian.

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    As for the question i think that Democrats will remember him as the person that brought them Obamacare and healed relations with Iran and Cuba. I think that Republicans and the poor will remember him as somebody that did not really change their lives in any beneficial way, just another politician.

    My own opinion is broadly positive.
    No practising Christian would support abortion, which has killed more than a million children under his presidency. No Christian would be unwilling to call IS Islamic. He is very much a secret Muslim who pretends to support 'liberal' policies like abortion and gay marriage to keep his voter base happy.
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    My view? I don't know. How many faces does Mr. Obama have? I don't know. Does he really trust his allies? Why did he spy on some leaders? I really really don't know.

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    Ineffectual, if less morally compromised than the cretinous NWO presidents (puppets) of the age (past and future):mute:
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    (Original post by biglad2k16)
    No practising Christian would support abortion, which has killed more than a million children under his presidency. No Christian would be unwilling to call IS Islamic. He is very much a secret Muslim who pretends to support 'liberal' policies like abortion and gay marriage to keep his voter base happy.
    Unless you have proof that he is a Muslim this is your own (conspiracy theory sounding) opinion and not fact.

    Also how does anything that you've said even remotely suggest that he's a Muslim?
    No correlation whatsoever
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    For making friendship bracelets.

    I can't imagine Donald Trump doing that at all. Trump just reminds me of Cam Brady from the Campaign
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    He'll be remembered for being black, not for what he did, few politics are big and influential enough to do anything massive, especially when the opportunity to do such things are rare, throw in term limits and it's hard to be remembered as POTUS for positive reasons

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    (Original post by biglad2k16)
    No practising Christian would support abortion, which has killed more than a million children under his presidency. No Christian would be unwilling to call IS Islamic. .
    >No christian would do this
    >must be a muslim

    what
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    He'll be remembered for being black, not for what he did, few politics are big and influential enough to do anything massive, especially when the opportunity to do such things are rare, throw in term limits and it's hard to be remembered as POTUS for positive reasons

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    Do you think that if trump wins he'll be remembered for largely positive things?
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    Do you think that if trump wins he'll be remembered for largely positive things?
    No, the last one it happened to was Reagan, debatably, last for certain would be FDR, even if that is also subjective, the next POTUS won't, I would think the 2020 winner would be lucky too.
 
 
 
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