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Coach of the Year watch

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    Chris Coleman (Wales)
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    Didier Deschamps (France)
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    3.57%
    Pep Guardiola (Bayern Munich/Manchester City)
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    Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool)
    1
    3.57%
    Luis Enrique (Barcelona)
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    Mauricio Pochettino (Tottenham Hotspur)
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    Claudio Ranieri (Leicester City)
    24
    85.71%
    Fernando Santos (Portugal)
    0
    0%
    Diego Simeone (Atletico Madrid)
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    Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid).
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    3.57%

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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    PSG have already lost as many games as they did the entire of last season and are six points behind in a league they utterly dominate. That is simply too big a blemish to overlook, it also contradicts your point against Pep that winning "one team" leagues are easy. That is assuming you call the Bundesliga a one team league when you look at how strong Dortmund were last year andthe dicking Wolfsburg gave to Man Utd and the CL winners.
    Wouldn't say it was a "dicking". We beat them at home and narrowly lost a very open game that could have gone either way, despite having two teenage fullbacks making their debuts.

    He's not necessarily saying that the other teams are ****, just how far ahead of the competition Bayern are. I don't think anyone would disagree that last season's Dortmund team would have won the Premier League easily.
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    (Original post by sr90)
    Wouldn't say it was a "dicking". We beat them at home and narrowly lost a very open game that could have gone either way, despite having two teenage fullbacks making their debuts.
    I was more stating that Wolfsburg beat Man Utd and Real Madrid. It's besides the point, but Smalling was at least partially responsible for literally every goal in the Utd loss.

    He's not necessarily saying that the other teams are ****, just how far ahead of the competition Bayern are. I don't think anyone would disagree that last season's Dortmund team would have won the Premier League easily.
    He's saying that it's easy to win the Bundesliga so Pep shouldn't be up for contention, but in a league where Emery's PSG are far further ahead of the competition they're six points behind a team led by Balotelli, who prior to joining Nice had two goals in two seasons.
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    Can't look past Ranieri for me. The rest bar Coleman and Santos achieved the very minimum of what they should have. Simeone's unlucky again but for Ranieri to claim one of the biggest prizes in the sport in the manner he did it was deserved. This season should be irrelevant given the circumstances of last season.
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    (Original post by Jimmy Seville)
    Can't look past Ranieri for me. The rest bar Coleman and Santos achieved the very minimum of what they should have. Simeone's unlucky again but for Ranieri to claim one of the biggest prizes in the sport in the manner he did it was deserved. This season should be irrelevant given the circumstances of last season.
    Do you not think Zidane overachieved by winning the CL and averaging 2.5+ points per game in his first full year in top level management? RM have only lost one two matches in all competitions this year, one of which they avenged vs Wolfsburg.
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    So because he was in charge of a big club he cant be a good manager?
    Pretty much; unless he built it from scratch like Fergie. He inherited a good team, and won the domestic league in a nation where there's only really one competitor.
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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    Do you not think Zidane overachieved by winning the CL and averaging 2.5+ points per game in his first full year in top level management? RM have only lost one two matches in all competitions this year, one of which they avenged vs Wolfsburg.
    He had at the time of winning the UCL, the two most expensive players in the world, and only beat Atleti on penalties. Are we actually going to ignore their piss-easy run to the semi-finals and even then they faced the weakest team in the last 4?

    He has unimaginable riches at his disposal and still finished second in the league - if he was to retain the UCL then he'd be in with a shout - but not for this year.
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    Ranieri no question.

    Klopp very close 2nd...he's built Liverpool into a very good team.
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    (Original post by Jimmy Seville)
    He had at the time of winning the UCL, the two most expensive players in the world, and only beat Atleti on penalties. Are we actually going to ignore their piss-easy run to the semi-finals and even then they faced the weakest team in the last 4?

    He has unimaginable riches at his disposal and still finished second in the league - if he was to retain the UCL then he'd be in with a shout - but not for this year.
    You can only beat what's in front of you and Atleti did beat Bayern and Barcelona. He doesn't have unlimited riches at his disposal, the only player they've brought in since he's been there was Morata.

    As for Bale and Ronaldo, both had a poor 2015. It might have been the worst year of Ronaldo's career.
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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    You can only beat what's in front of you and Atleti did beat Bayern and Barcelona. He doesn't have unlimited riches at his disposal, the only player they've brought in since he's been there was Morata.

    As for Bale and Ronaldo, both had a poor 2015. It might have been the worst year of Ronaldo's career.
    And in 2015 he played under Ancelotti and Benitez, the whole team were shite under Rafa - fair play he's been on a good run with them, but they haven't played any of the big teams this season domestically yet.

    Leicester beat who they had in front of them, only lost 3 games in the league and did in the most unlikely way. Would even rank Santos' ahead of Zizou this year based on what he won and the team he did it with, but again he had the easiest run to the final and didn't even play good football. They only won 1 game in normal time the entire tournament.

    Ranieri took Vardy from racist WKD scumbag to Ballon d'Or nominee in less than 12 months.
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    (Original post by Jimmy Seville)
    And in 2015 he played under Ancelotti and Benitez, the whole team were shite under Rafa - fair play he's been on a good run with them, but they haven't played any of the big teams this season domestically yet.

    Leicester beat who they had in front of them, only lost 3 games in the league and did in the most unlikely way. Would even rank Santos' ahead of Zizou this year based on what he won and the team he did it with, but again he had the easiest run to the final and didn't even play good football. They only won 1 game in normal time the entire tournament.

    Ranieri took Vardy from racist WKD scumbag to Ballon d'Or nominee in less than 12 months.
    I don't disagree with your order of who should win the coach of the year, my issue is saying that Zidane achieved the bare minimum.

    This year he's beaten all the top seven in La Liga (besides Atleti who he beat in the CL) including Barcelona at the Nou Camp while none of them have recorded wins over his side. It's worth noting that from the same number of games in 2016 he has collected six more points than Barcelona (who man for man are better) and seven more than Atleti.
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    (Original post by Danny the Geezer)
    Pretty much; unless he built it from scratch like Fergie. He inherited a good team, and won the domestic league in a nation where there's only really one competitor.
    What about when Moyes took over Fergie after doing well at Everton.
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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    What about when Moyes took over Fergie after doing well at Everton.
    The team that Moyes inherited was really really poor, they pissed the league the season before because the opposition had a bad season; like Leicester last season, and the team Mourinho has now is even worse arguably, (well not on paper but on the field), I ****ing hate being a Man U fan sometimes. :cry2:
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    (Original post by Danny the Geezer)
    The team that Moyes inherited was really really poor, they pissed the league the season before because the opposition had a bad season; like Leicester last season, and the team Mourinho has now is even worse arguably, (well not on paper but on the field), I ****ing hate being a Man U fan sometimes. :cry2:
    They got 89 points that season and the one before. A few players needed replacing but not that would cause a 25+ point drop.
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    Conte over Pep?
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Conte over Pep?
    At the time of the nominations Chelsea were in 4th and Man City were top. Also, Italy were knocked out of the Euro's in the quarters too, so that doesn't help his cause either.

    I agree with your point though and it does highlight that it's a bit silly that coach of the year nominations are done with two months of football left.
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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    At the time of the nominations Chelsea were in 4th and Man City were top. Also, Italy were knocked out of the Euro's in the quarters too, so that doesn't help his cause either.

    I agree with your point though and it does highlight that it's a bit silly that coach of the year nominations are done with two months of football left.
    Especially when the actual award isn't even announced until mid January

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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    At the time of the nominations Chelsea were in 4th and Man City were top. Also, Italy were knocked out of the Euro's in the quarters too, so that doesn't help his cause either.

    I agree with your point though and it does highlight that it's a bit silly that coach of the year nominations are done with two months of football left.
    Im more using the fact that klopp also being considered when they got knocked out in two finals. emery also hasn't been nominated either despite actually winning the europa.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Im more using the fact that klopp also being considered when they got knocked out in two finals. emery also hasn't been nominated either despite actually winning the europa.
    PSG were six points off the top of a league they won by 31 points when nominations, to a team led by Balotelli no less.

    I'd say the award is more about overachieving than actual achievements. For example, Sevilla had already won the Wafer Cup twice already and made a tame stab at the CL, whereas Liverpool were still recovering from losing SSS and weren't in a good place where Rodgers left yet managed to beat Dortmund (the favourites) in the CL.
 
 
 
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