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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Not caring what others think when you do something "non manly"

    Not, not caring in general
    OK. It's all ******** though. I'll act like I please and so should everyone else.

    Some women may like manly men more, some guys may like girly women more, but no one should feel they have to act a certain way.
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    (Original post by Dr Pesto)
    One of my uncles used to say "you go from boy to man when you stop being the person that relies on everyone all the time, and start being the person that everyone can rely on." I thought that was very apt.
    A lot of the time I find myself so annoyed by the fact that my immediate family are all crap with money and follow the endless 'get paid - spend month's wages in a couple of weeks - scrimp and scrape for the next couple of weeks' cycle and always turn to me to borrow money when something comes up because they have 0 savings. Yet, sometimes it's nice to feel like my proverbial bollox are huge, I'm the guy in the family that has all the money and people need me. I might start to feel a bit redundant to them otherwise.
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    You know you've become a man when you ask your mum to book a doctor's appointment but she tells you to do it yourself, so you just ignore the problem and hope it goes away.

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    I'm yet to find a way to define masculinity/being a man that is significantly different from femininity/being a woman, without just getting into misogynistic BS. If we can't define two categories as significantly different then what's the point in them? I don't see gender as a helpful concept to understanding people or societies
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    Being a man is all about how much females you sleep with and how much money you earn.
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    The real man dont think about this stupid question What is a real man
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    (Original post by BKS)
    I'm yet to find a way to define masculinity/being a man that is significantly different from femininity/being a woman, without just getting into misogynistic BS. If we can't define two categories as significantly different then what's the point in them? I don't see gender as a helpful concept to understanding people or societies
    Having a penis? That's a difference

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    Having a penis? That's a difference

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    Gender vs sex, we're not talking about what it means to have a male body though even if we were it's more complex than having a penis. A guy has has his penis blown off in an explosion, is he suddenly not a man? A good definition has to be fit for all circumstances
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    (Original post by BKS)
    Gender vs sex, we're not talking about what it means to have a male body though even if we were it's more complex than having a penis. A guy has has his penis blown off in an explosion, is he suddenly not a man? A good definition has to be fit for all circumstances
    *Having been born with an X and Y chromosome.

    Better?

    My point is, we're only really different biologically

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    What is it to be a man?

    1. Knowing that society will turn on you at the drop of a hat. It's much worse in the modern day, but men are naturally individualistic and seek to compete for the best resources; the 'group', irrespective of what form it takes (eg, socialists/feminists), will ALWAYS have a problem with that. Men naturally prize liberty, not collectivism.

    2. Knowing that you can never rely on anyone else to solve your problems.

    3. Knowing that you'll only ever be valued for one thing (particularly by those who proclaim they want you to show 'your emotional side': your utility.

    4. Knowing that you will always be at the whim of the greatest inequality there is: sexual prerogative. You are the demand, women are the supply. Knowing that women will never, ever place a value on sex and thus will never feel empathy for those who can't get it, or what it's like to not have it. They know how much power they have over you in this respect, and they will always find ways to control you through sex; they don't just do this directly, but indirectly, too (eg, they'll make you perceive potential for sex).

    5. Knowing that you need to compete for resource, not socially. A lot of men, knowing that being a breadwinner is no longer a distinctive trait, seek to gain favour from women by being more like them; by bending to their social values and rules, which are typically orientated around compromise and social strategy (cunning), rather than straightforward gain. It's stupid to think you're going to gain the favour of women in this manner; they won't respect you.

    6. Knowing that not appearing to weak, irrespective of how much nonsense you're fed, is one of your most important aims. The moment other men perceive of you as weak, is the moment you are out of the game and ripe for exploitation; it's also the moment women begin to lose respect for you.

    7. Knowing that your's is a solitary existence, where you won't ever be valued on equal terms to women. It's also about knowing how not to be resentful over this. Society will always put her before you.

    Ernest Bax (1890): "the bravest and strongest man is as weak as a child against the overwhelming force of the state" and "any woman can at will summon to her a power no man can resist... the whole power of the courts and the community, backed up by the press and public opinion"

    8. Knowing that everyone is self-interested and that if they have the chance to make a gain at your expense, irrespective of how small or inconsequential, they'll take it.

    9. Knowing that she'll always determine that her feelings are more important than your own. Knowing that she'll always exert moral superiority. Knowing that women have a far stronger bias towards their own (other women), than men do towards their own (other men); understanding that the best way to be with a woman isn't by approaching her, but by influencing those around her.

    10. Knowing that the state will always be used against you and has always sought to control you, through any means possible. The state is now a surrogate husband, and wants to deprive you of all of your social power to gain favour with a female electorate. Other men, hoping to gain favour with women (see above), will support this.
 
 
 
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