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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Absolutely not; this is the UK, we already have our own legal system and set of laws. If the muslim community doesn't like our laws, they should take themselves off somewhere where Sharia is enshrined in the legal system

    But there are countries where two systems operate.
    1) Singapore has sharia courts
    2) The Indonesian island of Sumatra has sharia areas despite Indonesia being a largely Buddhist Christian and Hindu country.
    3) Russian Republic of Czechen Ickeria has an Islamic based legal system agreed between its president and President Putin. It was this that eased tensions and has encouraged the Czechens to remain part of Russia rather than declaring their own caliphate as they wanted in the 1990s.
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    This must be a troll thread, the idea is too stupid to have been serious..
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    Yes, let's create a mini Yemen or Syria in Britain. Why bother them with our petty white-man laws like human rights, child protection and equality?
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    But there are countries where two systems operate.
    1) Singapore has sharia courts
    2) The Indonesian island of Sumatra has sharia areas despite Indonesia being a largely Buddhist Christian and Hindu country.
    3) Russian Republic of Czechen Ickeria has an Islamic based legal system agreed between its president and President Putin. It was this that eased tensions and has encouraged the Czechens to remain part of Russia rather than declaring their own caliphate as they wanted in the 1990s.
    I would not be comfortable with the middle age ideological atrocities associated with sharia law being considered legal and acceptable in the UK. We already have enough of a problem with fgm and honour killings now as the situation stands. Terrible idea
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    There has been a lot of call for sharia zones in some areas. If it's going to help ease tensions in some areas then maybe its a good idea. But there should be conditions.

    If they want their own laws then they should fund their own police force and law courts.
    Our own police are facing major cuts from government and why should they be stretched even further policing areas which want to have their own laws. That would free up police to police other areas.

    What are your opinions, would it save money and be mutually beneficial to everyone?
    A "lot of call". What is this rubbish? Nobody calls for Sharia Law in the UK except for Anjem Choudary and his croons who can't even speak or read Arabic and have NO Islamic Authority and therefore NO official Islamic voice.
    As a Muslim its the stupidest crap I've ever heard and if I didn't know any better, the OP is simply winding us up with this crap.
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    good idea imo

    those that want to live outside of said area can just move via the government buying their homes.
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    Talk about ****ing integration.

    I have called ppl on here racists/xenophobic, but at some point you have got to draw a line. And it is when people come here and blatantly don't want to integrate.

    Diversity for diversity's sake is retarded.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Talk about ****ing integration.

    I have called ppl on here racists/xenophobic, but at some point you have got to draw a line. And it is when people come here and blatantly don't want to integrate.

    Diversity for diversity's sake is retarded.
    Sorry but if you're opposed to this suggestion then I'm sorry to say that you are in fact a racist/xenophobe yourself.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    This must be a troll thread, the idea is too stupid to have been serious..
    The crazy thing is mate it isn't a troll.

    Allow me to introduce the village idiot of the politics forum.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Not necessarily. having your own dispute resolution systems is fine as long as it is consistent with UK law. All sorts of organisations have their own systems, which are an alternative to going to the courts.

    This proposal seems to want to give Sharia law parity to UK law.

    Ambitious 1999 is being silly yet again and they are unable to see the difficulties and fundamental problems such a move would have. It would be unworkable and unacceptable.
    The police in sharia zones could still wear the queens badge and could be called HM Royal sharia police force (RSP) or Royal Sharia Constabulary RSC. They would be funded by the local community with the aid of government grants. Recruitment would be from their local community too so they'd be in touch with the citizens. They would have their own courts too.

    Tbh its no different from the British transport police. They are funded by the railways and recruit members from railway communities. Nobody thinks the idea of the BTP is barmy.

    I mean after WW2 Russians policed areas of Berlin in their own Soviet zones with their own laws irrespective of German laws.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Nobody thinks the idea of the BTP is barmy.
    That is because BTP enforces the same laws as the other police forces, but specialises in policing moving vehicles across the whole country.
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    Absolutely not.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Sorry but if you're opposed to this suggestion then I'm sorry to say that you are in fact a racist/xenophobe yourself.
    How so?
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    But we already have a zone where all this is in place. It's called Saudi Arabia.

    We don't do this. We're British. We're better than that.
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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    But we already have a zone where all this is in place. It's called Saudi Arabia.

    We don't do this. We're British. We're better than that.
    Indonesia is largely Buddhist and Hindu country but the Indonesian region Aceh has its own sharia laws and sharia police. So if two systems work there they can work anywhere.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    There has been a lot of call for sharia zones in some areas. If it's going to help ease tensions in some areas then maybe its a good idea. But there should be conditions.

    If they want their own laws then they should fund their own police force and law courts.
    Our own police are facing major cuts from government and why should they be stretched even further policing areas which want to have their own laws. That would free up police to police other areas.

    What are your opinions, would it save money and be mutually beneficial to everyone?
    This is perhaps the most offensive thread you have ever created on TSR. The very idea that British law should be demeaned in order to pander to extremists is disgusting, puerile and vacant of any love for our country.

    Frankly, if immigrants are not happy here then they can leave for one of the many hellholes from which they came.

    As for the idea that this segregation would be mutually beneficial all i can do is express my thoughts on the video below..



    Frankly, if i could pay to have my own laws then i'd arrest you simply for suggesting this one.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    The police in sharia zones could still wear the queens badge and could be called HM Royal sharia police force (RSP) or Royal Sharia Constabulary RSC. They would be funded by the local community with the aid of government grants. Recruitment would be from their local community too so they'd be in touch with the citizens. They would have their own courts too.

    Tbh its no different from the British transport police. They are funded by the railways and recruit members from railway communities. Nobody thinks the idea of the BTP is barmy.

    I mean after WW2 Russians policed areas of Berlin in their own Soviet zones with their own laws irrespective of German laws.
    I think that pretty much everyone on this forum thinks that there is more sand between your ears than in the Sahara Desert.

    So how about implementing laws based on Christian values i.e.the Ten Commandments. What about Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs? Should they have their own laws?

    Ignoring the fact that Sharia law would set us back over a 1000 years do you not think that this would create a bigger gap between denominations in this country - an us and them situation.

    Also how do you think that Muslim women would feel being governed by male dominated laws. The current laws in this country are much more beneficial for them.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Indonesia is largely Buddhist and Hindu country but the Indonesian region Aceh has its own sharia laws and sharia police. So if two systems work there they can work anywhere.
    (Original post by nutz99)
    I think that pretty much everyone on this forum thinks that there is more sand between your ears than in the Sahara Desert.

    So how about implementing laws based on Christian values i.e.the Ten Commandments. What about Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs? Should they have their own laws?

    Ignoring the fact that Sharia law would set us back over a 1000 years do you not think that this would create a bigger gap between denominations in this country - an us and them situation.

    Also how do you think that Muslim women would feel being governed by male dominated laws. The current laws in this country are much more beneficial for them.
    There's been plenty of articles on how bad Sharia courts actually are. I read somewhere about a Muslim woman who was beaten black and blue by her husband and when she went to the Sharia court the judge did nothing but tell her to obey and please her husband. Felt sick reading it.


    You should look up Savile Town in Yorkshire. It's really not that different from a Sharia zone and it's bloody disgusting.
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    (Original post by nutz99)
    I think that pretty much everyone on this forum thinks that there is more sand between your ears than in the Sahara Desert.

    So how about implementing laws based on Christian values i.e.the Ten Commandments. What about Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs? Should they have their own laws?

    Ignoring the fact that Sharia law would set us back over a 1000 years do you not think that this would create a bigger gap between denominations in this country - an us and them situation.

    Also how do you think that Muslim women would feel being governed by male dominated laws. The current laws in this country are much more beneficial for them.
    But Aceh in Indonesia has its own sharia laws and police despite the rest of Indonesia having its own laws. If 2 systems work there why not here?

    Also you forget that after WW2 the Russians imposed their own Soviet laws in areas of Berlin that they occupied irrespective of German laws.

    The bottom line is that policing in Britain is very expensive and the budget limited so if certain areas are allowed to fund their own police forces then that will save a lot of money and create much better relationships with the more conservative people who feel unrepresented by the existing police. That's why Indonesia, Czech, Nigeria, Singapore etc have their own Sharia laws.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    There's been plenty of articles on how bad Sharia courts actually are. I read somewhere about a Muslim woman who was beaten black and blue by her husband and when she went to the Sharia court the judge did nothing but tell her to obey and please her husband. Felt sick reading it.


    You should look up Savile Town in Yorkshire. It's really not that different from a Sharia zone and it's bloody disgusting.
    Obviously the courts would have to be reasonable and not impose unusual punishments such as caning etc. That could be a condition on their very existence, that they don't contravene the human rights act.
 
 
 
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