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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Did you do any research?
    He was allegedly in breach of anti terrorism laws which make it an offence to support or publicly praise terrorists.

    https://translate.googleusercontent....XT000030197078
    Well I would argue that naming your wifi after them doesnt constitute support or praise.He could easily have been mocking them or joking around.And even if it was a crime it doesnt mean the law is right.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    I was gouing to point out that there are no FoS laws in the UK, but then I see it's in France.

    But freedom of speech means you can speak your mind. Not that you can be deliberately provocative and offensive.
    I'm pretty sure thats exactly what it means actually.
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    Freedom of speech is being allowed to 'say what you want' within the confines of the law which balances rights and responsibilities. I'm not free to say or publish defamatory comments about others, even though they may be things I entirely believe in. I'm not free to publish or say comments which aim to incite violence or hatred towards a group of persons. I'm free to campaign for the monarchy to be abolished, but not for them to be killed. Rights and responsibilities are always balanced between competing interests, and that includes with 'freedom of expression'.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    I'm pretty sure thats exactly what it means actually.
    If that's the case then I'm glad there's no FoS in the UK. I don't think I'd be willing to live in a country where we explicitly have the right to be dicks with one another.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    If that's the case then I'm glad there's no FoS in the UK. I don't think I'd be willing to live in a country where we explicitly have the right to be dicks with one another.
    So you would rather live in a country where its a crime to be offensive then?Thats pretty totalitarian. Whats offensive is entirely subjective.And I'm pretty sure we do have the right to be dicks with one another.Its not a crime to be offensive to someone.You're perfectly within your rights to call someone an *******,it becomes a crime when you incite violence against them.Regardless if you don't have the freedom to be offensive and provocative then you don't really have free speech at all.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    So you would rather live in a country where its a crime to be offensive then?Thats pretty totalitarian. Whats offensive is entirely subjective.And I'm pretty sure we do have the right to be dicks with one another.Its not a crime to be offensive to someone.You're perfectly within your rights to call someone an *******,it becomes a crime when you incite violence against them.Regardless if you don't have the freedom to be offensive and provocative then you don't really have free speech at all.
    I do live in a country where it's a crime to be offensive, and in case you haven't noticed, we get on better than these other countries which were "founded on freedom," including that of speech.
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    there is no right answer. This is a philosophical question and much of modern debate stagnates at this point, where you draw the line.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    So you would rather live in a country where its a crime to be offensive then?Thats pretty totalitarian. Whats offensive is entirely subjective.And I'm pretty sure we do have the right to be dicks with one another.Its not a crime to be offensive to someone.You're perfectly within your rights to call someone an *******,it becomes a crime when you incite violence against them.Regardless if you don't have the freedom to be offensive and provocative then you don't really have free speech at all.
    Clearly you arent privy to what actually went on and are relting on a small newsoaoer article. Any normal person would expect to see the evidence and which law they were claiming was infringed before making their mind up. You seem happy to ignore this or the fact there are laws at all.

    This isnt a situation where its just about being offensive, but carry on making it up.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    I do live in a country where it's a crime to be offensive, and in case you haven't noticed, we get on better than these other countries which were "founded on freedom," including that of speech.
    Well maybe it shouldn't be a crime.The law is not automatically right you know.If we don't have the right to be offensive then we don't have the right to say whatever we want.Hence we don't have free speech.If you are offended by someones view the correct thing to do is to counter their argument using powerful arguments of your own.It is not to go running to the authorities squealing that your feelings have been hurt.And we do have the right to be offensive here with the exceptions of race and sexuality and religion.I would argue that religion shouldn't be included in this as its just a set of beliefs like any other and moreover its something you choose.You don't choose race or sexuality.
    I don't know what other countries your refering to but if you mean america they actually seem to be doing pretty well for themselves,a lot better than us.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Clearly you arent privy to what actually went on and are relting on a small newsoaoer article. Any normal person would expect to see the evidence and which law they were claiming was infringed before making their mind up. You seem happy to ignore this or the fact there are laws at all.

    This isnt a situation where its just about being offensive, but carry on making it up.
    Well yes I do rely on newspaper articles thats how you hear whats going on in the world. What was this situation about then? Which law was infringed? And just because its law doesn't make it right.Laws can still go against the principle of free speech.
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    (Original post by BibleMan)
    It was dead along time ago
    *****, please. Free speech is alive and well. There are nations in the world where there is no free speech, where if you say the wrong thing, you and your family simply disappear. You have no idea how lucky you are.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Well yes I do rely on newspaper articles thats how you hear whats going on in the world. What was this situation about then? Which law was infringed? And just because its law doesn't make it right.Laws can still go against the principle of free speech.
    Dude ive already linked you the law. the point is you have limited information and so only a very dim person would say whether the report was accurate and whether or not they made the right decision in applying the law. You seem to jump in without knowledge of either. Impressive.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Well maybe it shouldn't be a crime.The law is not automatically right you know.If we don't have the right to be offensive then we don't have the right to say whatever we want.Hence we don't have free speech.If you are offended by someones view the correct thing to do is to counter their argument using powerful arguments of your own.It is not to go running to the authorities squealing that your feelings have been hurt.And we do have the right to be offensive here with the exceptions of race and sexuality and religion.I would argue that religion shouldn't be included in this as its just a set of beliefs like any other and moreover its something you choose.You don't choose race or sexuality.
    I don't know what other countries your refering to but if you mean america they actually seem to be doing pretty well for themselves,a lot better than us.
    I don't for a second think the law is anything other than an ass. But sometimes it does (believe it or not) coincide with sense.

    The reason why no FoS legislation has been enacted in this country has been that there's been no real need for it. People say what they think, and when someone gets pissed off at something someone has said to offend them, they've done something about it. You might say we have an implicit right to FoS, down to there being no explicit limitations on what we say - other than systemic offensiveness/hatred (racial, sexual, whatever), outright obscenity (porn where it doesn't belong or illegal porn of whatever nature).

    We're free in our speech because we're not limited in what we can say. To be "free" in any sense through some kindness granted by a codified law isn't freedom at all.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Dude ive already linked you the law. the point is you have limited information and so only a very dim person would say whether the report was accurate and whether or not they made the right decision in applying the law. You seem to jump in without knowledge of either. Impressive.
    That link is not very clear and you said it was supporting or glorifying terrorism.Changing your wifi name does not indicate support or condoning it.Regardless even if the law has been applied correctly and he did break it then it still goes against the principle of free speech.The law is completely orwellian if it criminalises you for that.
 
 
 
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