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View Poll Results: Vote for your nations leaderThe Nutcase952.94%The Crook847.06%Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll
- 08-11-2016 15:35
(Original post by remarius)
- 08-11-2016 15:36
The thought that he would be elected was scary enough, until I realised that politicians in NI have been using the same tactics for years. I'm surprised he hasn't invited Arlene over yet, they could bond over their love of the colour orange.
- 08-11-2016 15:56
Why do both options allow me to vote for Hillary?
(Original post by markova21)
- 08-11-2016 17:11
I don't think a President has any true individual power; it's the people in Washington behind the scenes
If he were to become President and were to potentially be in danger of doing something really wacky and scary i'm sure the real powers that be would have no choice but to intervene; one way or another. They'd have to
Hilary is a lot less dangerous than Trump
Are you right wing?
If so, why pretend that your preference for Trump is as naive as that?
(Original post by Foo.mp3)
- 09-11-2016 01:18
He had a comfortable house majority and was at the heart of a NeoCon machine, like Hilary, that was much, much bigger than the office of POTUS, never mind Bush himself (a useful idiot if ever there was one)
Who told you that, CNN?
Nope, I operate on a higher level than binary/tribal ideologically polarised/ing politics
I’m not pretending anything, amigo, I’m TSR’s most long standing forthright socio-political commentator, infamous for wearing my heart on my sleeve and never shying away from political incorrectness, whichever side of any arbitrary political spectrometer it may land me on
But, I would agree that you are one of TSR's most prominent deeply narcissistic, pseudo-intellectuals (or words to that effect, can't quite remember):
And that is comically supported by statements from you such as the one in bold
You don't operate more highly than the rest of us. And those terms are not binary at all. I can guarantee that if I were to give you an evidenced based scale to measure your ideologies, you'd score highly on individualism. I know it.
And that measure no doubt correlates with support for Trump.
You may think such terms are binary, but they aren't. They determine everything; your opinions, what you attend to, what you remember, what you seek out. It's a common concept within Psychology, and you can just see it in action when it comes to elections.
People choose their favourite opponent in regards to their own ideologies and self-serving reasons. They then selectively attend to, and use information to support their favourite, pretending than their decision is the most logical. But it's not, the exact same reasoning can and does, apply to the other opponent.
Both Trump and Clinton have their flaws. A very, very slight % us weighed these flaws logically, using all the information available. However most of us choose to give importance to the flaws that add force to our own argument. I.e, the complete reverse to what's logical.
You do it. I do it. We all do it.
Let's just own up to it. You support Trump because he matches your ideology.
I am sorry for the long rant though.Last edited by Twinpeaks; 09-11-2016 at 01:19.
(Original post by Twinpeaks)
- 09-11-2016 14:51
TSR's most forthright socio-political commentator? I don't know about that, I'd give that to Full of Surprises
statements from you such as the one in bold
They determine everything
you can just see it in action when it comes to elections
People choose their favourite opponent in regards to their own ideologies and self-serving reasons
then selectively attend to, and use information to support their favourite
You support Trump because he matches your ideologyLast edited by Foo.mp3; 09-11-2016 at 14:54.
- Thread Starter
- 09-11-2016 15:32
so its the Nutcase. kind of thought it would be in the current climate
(Original post by Foo.mp3)
- 09-11-2016 20:43
Bless her, I do hope you're joking
You appear to have misinterpreted. "Higher" in a moralistic sense, not in an (intellectually) superior sense, per sae e.g. a political position that is in the best interests of truth and humanity, rather than personal privilege/prejudice. Capeesh?
Only if you're afflicted by cardinal sins (e.g wrath, pride, greed). Fortunately, I'm reasonably free of such ills
At each and every election I vote pragmatically and on the basis of what I perceive to be the best interests of humanity. I am not wedded to right/left wing politics, a particular movement, or party, and have campaigned for competing forces at different junctures
In this election, I supported the candidate deemed, probabilistically, to be least worst candidate for the world, in my learned estimation. Both represented malevolent forces, but Hilary, and more specifically her backers, are sinister on a whole other level
You'll never find me adopting the position of an ideologue, I always observe all sides of an argument. It's what psychologically secure, socially conscientious, intellectually honest, grown ups do
There are aspects of his populism that appeal to me (migration, globalism, etc), but I have serious reservations about him, and his politics, just like everyone else. Our best hope is that with people like Pence around him, he won't be a total disaster
That is not what "intellectually honest" grown ups do. Have you read the psychological literature on this? If so, find me the literature that will agree with you there. The fact is you do have an ideology, you may think you are more pragmatic. Maybe you are, but that's still an ideology. You are simply more practical, whereas others care more about the people, others are more communitarian.
You are an individualist. Nothing wrong with that, but that collection of beliefs greatly influences your political opinion, influences the information you attend to, and remember.
You feel you are the perfect rational human, with the ability to gain all the evidence, weigh it appropriately to arrive at a more accurate, and logical opinion than the rest of us.
But you aren't. You're normal, as irrational as the rest of us, soz
- 09-11-2016 22:47
you do have an ideology
You are an individualist
You feel you are the perfect rational human, with the ability to gain all the evidence
weigh it appropriately to arrive at a more accurate, and logical opinion than the rest of us
You're normal, as irrational as the rest of usLast edited by Foo.mp3; 09-11-2016 at 22:48.
(Original post by Foo.mp3)
- 10-11-2016 13:01
Think perhaps someone needs to revise their definitions
No way, are you psychic or something!?
According to which high authority on me?
News to me!
Depends on a number of variables, but among the most reliable, in terms of perspicaciousness
If there's one thing I'm not, it's "normal"
I think it's you who needs to revise your definitions.
No I'm not psychic I just have knowledge and a little common sense If you are human with normal, cognitive functioning you have an ideology. An ideology is simply a collection of beliefs, how can you not feel that you have that?
Well that's just it though. Unless you have the perfect mind, and are able to gain all the evidence and weigh it appropriately, you do rely on your ideology to guide you. So either you are a perfect rational human or you have some form of ideology
It's summed up in here really- https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...e-got-ideology
Okay maybe not normal, but as irrational as the rest of us.
- 10-11-2016 14:21