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(Original post by RuairiMorrissey)
That defeats the entire point of grade boundaries. You'd then be "5 marks off being 5 marks off" etc.
I agree; there has to be a limit somewhere. I understand it's annoying when you're just a couple of marks off a grade, but that's just life.

With regards to people's stories on here about when examiners have marked incorrectly and their grades have gone up, I think it's terrible how that's allowed to happen... Maybe all papers should be marked twice? I don't know, but it's kind of scared me...
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(Original post by RuairiMorrissey)
That defeats the entire point of grade boundaries. You'd then be "5 marks off being 5 marks off" etc.
Exactly this. Grade Boundaries are set for a reason you can't then move them if you fall on the wrong side.
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I think that if someone is 5 or less marks off a higher grade, for example 5 marks off a C, they should get a C, and not a D.
When I got my GCSE results, the vast majority had been 5- marks off C,B,A and A* (not at the same time, but you know what I mean).
Think that is unfair i was 1 mark off an A* in french I received 89.9% I only needed 0.1% for an A* and course work cannot get remarked and i was told all my course work was an A* but it wasn't as the speaking was an A.
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(Original post by RuairiMorrissey)
That defeats the entire point of grade boundaries. You'd then be "5 marks off being 5 marks off" etc.
see, this I think depends on the subject.
If you're 5 marks off a B in say, Physics, because you got 5 questions wrong (say they were 1 mark questions just to keep it easy) then it comes down to not giving the correct answer.
If you're 5 marks off a B in a subject like English Literature, where you have to give an opinion, textual references, interpretations quotations etc. and it's an essay based subject, then you could be 5 marks off because the examiner doesn't agree with the interpretations given, feels that you didn't seem to show you understood one of the themes of the novel, struggled to provide relevant textual evidence for your interpretations, yet another examiner may feel differently as the marks scheme itself is up to a lot more interpretation from the markers. And whilst they will be all given a guideline and samples, it's not as simple as there being one right answer, and one wrong answer.

I do feel like 5 marks is too far off a grade boundary to just award the next grade up though. I can understand one, two or even 3 marks off, but 5 marks just seems like it would be a push to achieve unless the marker had mismarked something or left a question unmarked, rather than interpreting a marks scheme differently.
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Think that is unfair i was 1 mark off an A* in french I received 89.9% I only needed 0.1% for an A* and course work cannot get remarked and i was told all my course work was an A* but it wasn't as the speaking was an A.
So you agree with me
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(Original post by Mvine001)
So you agree with me
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(Original post by Mvine001)
I think that if someone is 5 or less marks off a higher grade, for example 5 marks off a C, they should get a C, and not a D.
When I got my GCSE results, the vast majority had been 5- marks off C,B,A and A* (not at the same time, but you know what I mean).
What's the point in that? If you don't get the grade, you shouldn't get the grade.
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Papers should be pushed through several examiners and at the end of the day, if the examiners in general feel as though the person at hand deserves the mark and understood and answered the question correctly, even if it were through fluke or some ill-found method, so be it. I also think that there should be more marks given for extenuating circumstance, and that there should be more option for the exam to be taken in a smaller room than some large exam hall. For my AS exams I had a panic attack in one of my exams (I had never been submitted to such a large exam, and have always felt a little bit worrisome of large amounts of people; panic attack ahoy and I got 20% on my exam, besides scoring over 90% on the other exam for my AS; I was denied access because I had no note from a psychiatrist, and getting one would have taken too long.

I realise that last point was partly my fault, but forcing someone to have panic attacks just to get through an exam is a little bit harsh.
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Papers should be pushed through several examiners and at the end of the day, if the examiners in general feel as though the person at hand deserves the mark and understood and answered the question correctly, even if it were through fluke or some ill-found method, so be it. I also think that there should be more marks given for extenuating circumstance, and that there should be more option for the exam to be taken in a smaller room than some large exam hall. For my AS exams I had a panic attack in one of my exams (I had never been submitted to such a large exam, and have always felt a little bit worrisome of large amounts of people; panic attack ahoy and I got 20% on my exam, besides scoring over 90% on the other exam for my AS; I was denied access because I had no note from a psychiatrist, and getting one would have taken too long.

I realise that last point was partly my fault, but forcing someone to have panic attacks just to get through an exam is a little bit harsh.
Is there no other people in your year who take exams in a separate room? There's loads in mine for various reasons like extra time, rest breaks ect
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(Original post by LaurenLovesMaths)
I agree; there has to be a limit somewhere. I understand it's annoying when you're just a couple of marks off a grade, but that's just life.

With regards to people's stories on here about when examiners have marked incorrectly and their grades have gone up, I think it's terrible how that's allowed to happen... Maybe all papers should be marked twice? I don't know, but it's kind of scared me...

Agreed there needs to be a limit even though I would have got 6 more A's in GCSE if this was the case. I know this is off topic but in some subjects were I got a B e.g Geography biology and physics I had one unit in each which was an E how I kick myself... Anyways now at A-Level and I find the whole system absolutely stupid. The whole education system needs a revamp. Our education system keeps changing but they don't get of the root problems.

I don't understand all these exam boards OCR, OCR MEI, AQA, Edexcel, WJEC etc why so many? I understand they deal with different topics but mostly schools fish around for the 'easiest' exam board. Now I know grade boundaries adjust but it still does not make sense to me. If its a hard paper sure grade boundaries will be lower but someone could lose confidence and its just hard having hard papers and easier papers. For example in mathematics why have different exam boards OCR MEI compared to Edexcel is much much much more difficult. I have studied both. I also studied Chemistry for AQA and OCR Salters is so much harder that mostly only grammar schools offer them. Generally its like this in terms of easy to hard Edexcel, AQA, OCR.

I 100% agree with people for subjective subjects such as English and Politics there should be some adjustments and maybe use bands. The thing is though with exams they don't really show how smart you are. I am trying to be honest but my whole class got their papers back and we saw examples of how people did not add like one word but showed so much understanding. I understand they have to be tight but still something up for discussion.

The worst thing however is how we pay so much for remarks and how our university places depend on these things and they are not even marked properly. When going for a remark they should mark it afresh and then compared. The thing is these examiners are paid very low much like teachers bringing me on to my other point.

The whole education system is a mess where teachers are not respected and criminally underpaid in my opinion. The job market isn't competitive at all unlike most jobs. Teaching is one of the most safest profession out there. They need to make it more competitive. I made a thread about teaching and asked peoples opinion and while they are some amazing teachers some are absolutely awful. AAB will get you into most apprenticeships even banking but not with teaching or becoming a doctor you need a degree. Doctors are respected so much yet teachers don't get that kind of respect.
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There's a big drama at my school at the moment relating to marks on a particular question on the most recent AQA philosophy AS level paper. On this one particular 9 mark question I got 8 out of 9. A girl in my class, who we can safely assume knew more of the stuff than me when she went into the exam because she never sodding stops revising, got 3 out of 9. When she got the paper remarked her mark on the question I'm on about didn't change.

The department bought both of our papers back off the exam board, and anybody that's seen both my paper and hers, including the philosophy teacher, has testified that me and her wrote pretty much exactly the same thing, and it wasn't wildly different from another person in the year who got 9 out of 9.

The entire paper didn't have many marks available, were she to have got 8 or 9 on that question she would've likely got an A, or at least a much higher B. Either she's been grossly under-marked by 5 or 6 marks twice, or I've been given 5 marks more than I should've. How do you manage to mess up that badly?
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Agreed there needs to be a limit even though I would have got 6 more A's in GCSE if this was the case. I know this is off topic but in some subjects were I got a B e.g Geography biology and physics I had one unit in each which was an E how I kick myself... Anyways now at A-Level and I find the whole system absolutely stupid. The whole education system needs a revamp. Our education system keeps changing but they don't get of the root problems.

I don't understand all these exam boards OCR, OCR MEI, AQA, Edexcel, WJEC etc why so many? I understand they deal with different topics but mostly schools fish around for the 'easiest' exam board. Now I know grade boundaries adjust but it still does not make sense to me. If its a hard paper sure grade boundaries will be lower but someone could lose confidence and its just hard having hard papers and easier papers. For example in mathematics why have different exam boards OCR MEI compared to Edexcel is much much much more difficult. I have studied both. I also studied Chemistry for AQA and OCR Salters is so much harder that mostly only grammar schools offer them. Generally its like this in terms of easy to hard Edexcel, AQA, OCR.

I 100% agree with people for subjective subjects such as English and Politics there should be some adjustments and maybe use bands. The thing is though with exams they don't really show how smart you are. I am trying to be honest but my whole class got their papers back and we saw examples of how people did not add like one word but showed so much understanding. I understand they have to be tight but still something up for discussion.

The worst thing however is how we pay so much for remarks and how our university places depend on these things and they are not even marked properly. When going for a remark they should mark it afresh and then compared. The thing is these examiners are paid very low much like teachers bringing me on to my other point.

The whole education system is a mess where teachers are not respected and criminally underpaid in my opinion. The job market isn't competitive at all unlike most jobs. Teaching is one of the most safest profession out there. They need to make it more competitive. I made a thread about teaching and asked peoples opinion and while they are some amazing teachers some are absolutely awful. AAB will get you into most apprenticeships even banking but not with teaching or becoming a doctor you need a degree. Doctors are respected so much yet teachers don't get that kind of respect.
I agree all these exam boards is nonesense we should all sit the same paper as the difference between A-A* is all about luck and sitting the right paper and the difficulty varies between exam boards it is unfair to compare two different students who did two different papers as if they both took the same ones the results could differ tremendously.
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The amount of mistakes made in marking essays when I bought my papers back was ridiculous, think essays should have to be marked my multiple examiners and then an average score found.
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It definitely is not: a girl in my class was 7 marks off an A and appealed and got it changed to an A. Wtf how can 7 marks just be awarded out of the blue. Was the marker hungover ? Getting laid at the time ? Who knows.


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It definitely is not: a girl in my class was 7 marks off an A and appealed and got it changed to an A. Wtf how can 7 marks just be awarded out of the blue. Was the marker hungover ? Getting laid at the time ? Who knows.
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I was 10 marks off an A* for GCSE and went up 9.
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The marking system can never been fair.
Examiners get paid by how many scripts they can mark in a certain amount of time. Most of them will skim through answers and can miss or unfairly award marks.
Some people will get their scripts marked by a nice examiner and some are not as fortunate. It may not make a massive difference in raw marks, but a few marks can result in a change of grade.
There is so much subjectivity, especially in essay based subjects like English, History etc, they are so heavily dependent on what the individual examiner believes is a 'good answer'. An A* answer to one examiner might just be an A to another.
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The marking system can never been fair.
Examiners get paid by how many scripts they can mark in a certain amount of time. Most of them will skim through answers and can miss or unfairly award marks.
Some people will get their scripts marked by a nice examiner and some are not as fortunate. It may not make a massive difference in raw marks, but a few marks can result in a change of grade.
There is so much subjectivity, especially in essay based subjects like English, History etc, they are so heavily dependent on what the individual examiner believes is a 'good answer'. An A* answer to one examiner might just be an A to another.
of course they can pay per script if any mistakes you dont get paid but pay better
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Maybe have standards for markers - so they’re not hungover and constantly just skimming over papers.
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Agreed there needs to be a limit even though I would have got 6 more A's in GCSE if this was the case. I know this is off topic but in some subjects were I got a B e.g Geography biology and physics I had one unit in each which was an E how I kick myself... Anyways now at A-Level and I find the whole system absolutely stupid. The whole education system needs a revamp. Our education system keeps changing but they don't get of the root problems.

I don't understand all these exam boards OCR, OCR MEI, AQA, Edexcel, WJEC etc why so many? I understand they deal with different topics but mostly schools fish around for the 'easiest' exam board. Now I know grade boundaries adjust but it still does not make sense to me. If its a hard paper sure grade boundaries will be lower but someone could lose confidence and its just hard having hard papers and easier papers. For example in mathematics why have different exam boards OCR MEI compared to Edexcel is much much much more difficult. I have studied both. I also studied Chemistry for AQA and OCR Salters is so much harder that mostly only grammar schools offer them. Generally its like this in terms of easy to hard Edexcel, AQA, OCR.

I 100% agree with people for subjective subjects such as English and Politics there should be some adjustments and maybe use bands. The thing is though with exams they don't really show how smart you are. I am trying to be honest but my whole class got their papers back and we saw examples of how people did not add like one word but showed so much understanding. I understand they have to be tight but still something up for discussion.

The worst thing however is how we pay so much for remarks and how our university places depend on these things and they are not even marked properly. When going for a remark they should mark it afresh and then compared. The thing is these examiners are paid very low much like teachers bringing me on to my other point.

The whole education system is a mess where teachers are not respected and criminally underpaid in my opinion. The job market isn't competitive at all unlike most jobs. Teaching is one of the most safest profession out there. They need to make it more competitive. I made a thread about teaching and asked peoples opinion and while they are some amazing teachers some are absolutely awful. AAB will get you into most apprenticeships even banking but not with teaching or becoming a doctor you need a degree. Doctors are respected so much yet teachers don't get that kind of respect.
Business. Exam boards are businesses at the end of the day.
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In the exam season just gone, I got a U in my English lit paper (8/80 raw marks apparently) although my coursework was kept at A* and my AS grade was an A. Got it remarked and got an A. Held an offer for Kings, safe to say this monumental error in marking totally screwed everything up for me. I think that English lit is so subjective and what one examiner thinks is credible another may not. It actually bewilders me how I was awarded a U - I had written over 7 pages, a D/E therefore would have been more realistic.
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