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Woman who refused to remove niqab and reveal face fined €30000 watch

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    It's a lot better punishment than if a Italian women refused to wear something similar in Saudi
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    (Original post by HAnwar)
    Oh her reward in paradise will be much greater
    I'm sure it will be... I suppose the fine is but a small test.
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    The law's the law, but that's excessive. Politicians/authorities should something meaningful about failed state multiculturalism
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    Glad an example of her was made. Human laws come above your religious laws. That's why the west is like it is and backwards theocracies aren't.
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    30,000! You would need to to murder dozens to get a punishment like that in the UK and even then you could probably sue for 100x that "sumthin sumthin muh human rights"
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    (Original post by Pantsu)
    The irony of forcing a woman to undress seems to be lost on most people. Quick, you're suffering under an oppressive religious patriarchy! Take off your clothes or else we'll arrest you!
    How exactly was she being forced to undress?

    She was told to remove the piece of clothing that was covering her face. That would be a piece of clothing that is not compulsory in Islam.

    They were not asking her to do anything at all that isn't permitted by her religion, they were simply asking her to abide by the laws of the country in which she has chosen to reside.
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    (Original post by mkap)
    it must of really meant something to her is she still refused to take it off. i mean if she was being oppressed then she would use any excuse to take it off.
    she probably was just having a really bad hair day
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    Stupid woman and well done Italy were the first couple of thoughts that sprung to mind.
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    (Original post by Pantsu)
    The irony of forcing a woman to undress seems to be lost on most people. Quick, you're suffering under an oppressive religious patriarchy! Take off your clothes or else we'll arrest you!
    Nobody else would be allowed to cover their face; why should some people be allowed special treatment?
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    Literally no sympathy for her whatsoever. If you don't want to abide by the law of the country you reside in like an idiot, please kindly piss off.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    It's a lot better punishment than if a Italian women refused to wear something similar in Saudi
    I'm assuming she'd get lashed?

    I'd happily get lashed 80 times over losing 30k lmao
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    Niqab covers the entire face?

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    (Original post by Pantsu)
    The irony of forcing a woman to undress seems to be lost on most people. Quick, you're suffering under an oppressive religious patriarchy! Take off your clothes or else we'll arrest you!
    The facts of the case seem to be lost on some people. They bye-law under which she was prosecuted states that no one is allowed to wear clothing that prevents visual identification by the police, and said clothing must be removed on request.

    She was not "forced to undress", she was merely required to take her mask off.
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    (Original post by mkap)
    it must of really meant something to her is she still refused to take it off. i mean if she was being oppressed then she would use any excuse to take it off.
    Of course it means something to her.
    Centuries of ideological indoctrination mean that many Muslimahs believe that a god who actually exists, and determines their ultimate fate on the basis of how well they obey his rules, requires them to wear it.

    She does not want to take it off because she believes that her god might not be pleased if she does. The "oppression" goes far deeper than a potentially violent husband. It is embedded in her very psyche from the earliest age. It is watching her every waking and sleeping minute. It is beyond Orwellian.
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    (Original post by ScarletXxXRose)
    30,000??!!!:shot:
    imo the punishment doesn't fit the 'crime'
    From reading various reports, it seems that a custodial sentence was added to the original €600 fine for contempt of court or something. The Increased fine is instead of serving time.

    If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Simples.

    Odd how we haven't seen any other reports from the Italian lower courts. I wonder how unusual it is that someone is fined for breaking the law, and then has their sentence increase for non-payment/contempt?
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    (Original post by tammie123)
    She should've just showed her face, she was being unreasonable. Its not even compulsory to wear a niqab anyway in Islam. Muslims are instructed to abide by the law of the land in which they are living in so she is actually sinning by doing this
    Actually, they are only oblidged to follow laws as long as they don't involve doing anything unislamic. If she genuinely believes that removing her veil at the request of the authorities would lead to her doing something haram (and there are schools that consider the veil to be mandatory), then Islamically speaking, she is not required to do it.
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    (Original post by HAnwar)
    Oh her reward in paradise will be much greater
    Depends which madhab Allah follows.
    If he does not consider the hiqab to be mandatory, then by refusing to follow the laws of the land in which she is living, she has disobeyed his rules and will therefore incur a punishment.

    BTW, has anyone figured out which version of Islam Allah follows?
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Depends which madhab Allah follows.
    If he does not consider the hiqab to be mandatory, then by refusing to follow the laws of the land in which she is living, she has disobeyed his rules and will therefore incur a punishment.

    BTW, has anyone figured out which version of Islam Allah follows?
    Allah follows my version of Islam and not yours, ours is the true way and the only way. saying anything else is Heresy.
 
 
 
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