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    (Original post by the bear)
    her daughter is Le Peng





    I prefer her mum personally.
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    (Original post by Whitewell)
    Calm down with the over exaggeration. The one thing that isn't needed is simple rhetoric and harmful generalisations. That's what lead to this darn situation in the first place!

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    I'm 100% calm. So don't try and frame this as - Angry black man vs Neutral objective white man.

    I don't under-estimate any white supremacist.
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    Given this year's events, only a fool would try to predict whether or not Le Pen will win the presidentielle. However I am a fool so I'll call it - yes. Pre-Nice and Paris, I'd have said it'll be another case of her getting to the second round before everyone panics and votes for Sarkozy or, more likely, Juppé. But this year...I really worry.
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    I prefer her mum personally.
    oh look there is Jean Paul Sartre

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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    Given this year's events, only a fool would try to predict whether or not Le Pen will win the presidentielle. However I am a fool so I'll call it - yes. Pre-Nice and Paris, I'd have said it'll be another case of her getting to the second round before everyone panics and votes for Sarkozy or, more likely, Juppé. But this year...I really worry.
    I'm more inclined to say a fool would bet against her.

    I watched them talk about Hillary the same way remain talked, and make the same campaigning mistakes, only multiplied- now it's the same language about Le Pen, 'she could make more impact', more anti-establishment feeling, they acknowledge, but still 'we assume it will be Sarkozy or Juppe'. The same thing will play out.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    oh look there is Jean Paul Sartre

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    Don't get it dude.
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    (Original post by MossSide50)
    I'm 100% calm. So don't try and frame this as - Angry black man vs Neutral objective white man.

    I don't under-estimate any white supremacist.
    You talk in idiotic and paranoid rhetoric. If you want to help, keep those foolish opinions to yourself. Again, the world doesnt need such fear mongering. It has enough.

    I know you are itching to turn this into a black vs white thing. Any opening and youve jumped onto it, but I'm not entertaining bigoted fools. You may want to find an echo chamber now.

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    (Original post by the bear)
    oh look there is Jean Paul Sartre

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    Qu'est-ce que vous en pensez, l'ours?
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Liberal? You aren't liberal, you're collectivist. Liberals - genuine liberals - assign rights and responsibilities to individuals, not groups. You have never been liberal, your movement *******ised the term.

    Tolerant? You aren't tolerant, far from it. Many liberals are bigoted, anti-Semitic, racist and misandristic. They want to deny or de-legitimise referenda, ignore elections and shame and guilt-trip people into self-censorship. Every argument is a reductionist one - all we ever do is battle identities.

    They don't give a crap about people, they just want to exploit people's identity to further their own nefarious cause: global governance. See the Liberal Wall of Hate.
    There isn't much evidence that 'many liberals' as you put it are 'bigoted, anti-Semitic, racist', etc. Whereas most of the hard Right organisations currently in the ascendant are all those things. I assume like most very right wing people, you confuse dislike of the actions of Israel as a state with anti-semitism? They aren't the same thing.

    We don't want to de-legitimise elections, we want a rational response to them. Less than 1/3 of the voters of this country voted to Leave, in a campaign full of lies, managed from the US by extremely expensive lobbying and media companies who normally work for corporate interests.

    What you call 'global governance' is the only rational response to global issues like climate change and the control of multinational corporations. The power of the latter in particular is not addressed by the alt-Right - their obsession with a return to the petty nationalisms of the 50s and before simply leaves the door wide open for unfettered multinational corporate control. You get your global governance anyway, but without the possibility of democratic control.
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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    Given this year's events, only a fool would try to predict whether or not Le Pen will win the presidentielle. However I am a fool so I'll call it - yes. Pre-Nice and Paris, I'd have said it'll be another case of her getting to the second round before everyone panics and votes for Sarkozy or, more likely, Juppé. But this year...I really worry.
    It appears to be a distinct possibility.

    The effects of her winning would be extreme - the EU would rapidly collapse, causing turmoil in international trade and relations. Putin would be greatly emboldened and would probably annex the Baltic states and possibly Poland and other territories. She would aggressively push all migrants towards Britain, which would not be considered good news in the UK amongst the sort of people who back her kind of politician. There would be massive violence in France between the people of the banlieus and an emboldened totalitarian armed police militia. Paris and other major cities would burn. There would be profound dislocation of the UK's trade and we would plunge into wartime conditions of austerity and poverty.

    I could go on, but that's just for starters.
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    Gonna mean nothing but the continuing divide amongst people in society; the typical right-wingers love to ***** and whine that multiculturalism doesn't work and only divides people, yet their desires to force people out of the country and try and maintain their own 'pure race of people' (hi mini-hitlers) only make this worse.

    I hope the French have some common sense not to vote her in, God forbid.

    It's amazing how easily people can be manipulated by hatred and fear, human stupidity will never surprise me.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    It won't happen, I predicted Trump win and brexit win, Marine Le Pen won't win peroid, but brexit maybe an illusion and end up not leaving after French/German elections.
    Marine Le Pen has the same insurrectionist advantage this time round that Trump did in America, whichever of the major players ends in the run off against her, a worn and soiled opponent with a whole baggage train in tow.
    Juppe, the likely "other half" actually has a conviction for corruption which beats a dodgy email server hands down.
    The Socialist Party are in utter disarray under Hollande; this will be an election of the Right - so why not go for a fresh face and the "real thing" rather than same old, same old?
    I wouldn't rule her out, for better or worse, especially if another "terrorist spectacular" puts immigration, and more importantly integration, back in the headlines.
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    I expect a lot of people that like the idea of Marine Le Pen don't know that much about her policies they just see her as an anti-immigration politician who will be hostile to Muslims.

    When you go past that she's also a big government, big state control on peoples lives politician: more CCTV, more powers to the police, nationalisation of key industries, increase in corporation tax for big business.

    Now if you want these things, fine, support her, but if you're the type of person that criticises socialists for those kind of policies and say they are economic madness, be careful what you wish for with Marine Le Pen and this kind of populist politician.
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    You should go ask Soros. He will control the entire Europe soon :-):-)

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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    Qu'est-ce que vous en pensez, l'ours?
    contestant number threeeee

    it's Marine from St Cloud !!



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    (Original post by the bear)
    contestant number threeeee

    it's Marine from St Cloud !!





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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    With the shock results of brexit, trump there's a strong possibility that Le Pen may win the French elections.
    No it won't happen - at least not in 2017. There is however a strong chance that the FN becomes the first opposition party in the parliament, which would already be a good victory for them.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    I expect a lot of people that like the idea of Marine Le Pen don't know that much about her policies they just see her as an anti-immigration politician who will be hostile to Muslims.

    When you go past that she's also a big government, big state control on peoples lives politician: more CCTV, more powers to the police, nationalisation of key industries, increase in corporation tax for big business.

    Now if you want these things, fine, support her, but if you're the type of person that criticises socialists for those kind of policies and say they are economic madness, be careful what you wish for with Marine Le Pen and this kind of populist politician.
    The FN is very left wing economically; they have plagiarised most of the Communist platform. Hence why they are so strong in former Communist strongholds.
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    (Original post by Reality Check)
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    Notre Graham, tell us about Marine !!

    Well Cilla Marine is quite a traditional French lass, but she has an English friend called Nigel. Let's hope the vote goes her way tonight !!
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    (Original post by the bear)
    Notre Graham, tell us about Marine !!

    Well Cilla Marine is quite a traditional French lass, but she has an English friend called Nigel. Let's hope the vote goes her way tonight !!
    Marine's from a very established French family and is very much a family girl. Apart from with her Father, that is.
 
 
 
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