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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    When it gets to the stage that you feel unable to trust a single statement made by a publication without undertaking research it soon becomes more time-efficient to just not waste a moment reading it.

    Much like your posts, since you seem more interested in making assumptions about my views and arguing against words that you are putting into my mouth than actually justifying why you feel that those asked for their views on communism were talking about the Soviet Union and other historic regimes rather than the ideology itself.
    I think you miss the point. I simply have no inclination to get into a dialogue with you while you spend hours telling me that communism is defined by what it wasn't, rather than what it was (as you're attempting to do right now). I've been there thousands of times and I fundamentally reject your premise.
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    (Original post by simon_g)
    neither does the fascism (whatever- Italian or German one), you forgot to add, surely?
    I forgot to add? Sorry, I wasn't aware that I was making an exhaustive list of everything that doesn't kill people.

    Racism doesn't kill people either. Neither does giving to charity. Are we putting communism, racism, facism and giving to charity all at the same point on the scale of morality?
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    I think you miss the point. I simply have no inclination to get into a dialogue with you while you spend hours telling me that communism is defined by what it wasn't, rather than what it was (as you're attempting to do right now). I've been there thousands of times and I fundamentally reject your premise.
    So you came on here to make a few vague points attacking a stereotype and now you're so exhausted at the extensive research and fact-finding you undertook before passing on those half-baked articles that you just want a little nap?

    Communism has a definition. It's in the dictionary. I'm going with that thanks.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Anyone who thinks full blown communism is a good idea is either a moron or a whacko, or both.
    Why?

    It's more fun to live in a world where a significant fraction of the world population starve whilst others buy golden towers and name them after themselves?
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    So you came on here to make a few vague points attacking a stereotype and now you're so exhausted at the extensive research and fact-finding you undertook before passing on those half-baked articles that you just want a little nap?

    Communism has a definition. It's in the dictionary. I'm going with that thanks.
    Oh jees, more liberal logic. Well according to the dictionary fascism is 'right-wing.' According to Mussolini's Fascist Manifesto, he advocates the minimum wage. Therefore, according to the dictionary, if you support the minimum wage you must be right-wing.

    Are you done yet?
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Oh jees, more liberal logic. Well according to the dictionary fascism is 'right-wing.' According to Mussolini's Fascist Manifesto, he advocates the minimum wage. Therefore, according to the dictionary, if you support the minimum wage you must be right-wing.

    Are you done yet?
    this made me laugh lol "therefore according to the dictionary" haha

    completely logical argument, nope cannot see a single flaw there, how has such a formidable intellect not yet been appointed to a senior academic position
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Oh jees, more liberal logic. Well according to the dictionary fascism is 'right-wing.' According to Mussolini's Fascist Manifesto, he advocates the minimum wage. Therefore, according to the dictionary, if you support the minimum wage you must be right-wing.

    Are you done yet?
    Are you even attempting to apply basic logic there? It doesn't look like it.

    Where did your 76% figure come from, exactly? Which page on the article you liked to?

    And please learn to recognise a biased publication when you see one. If I was to come on here pushing a point I would at least make a vague effort to present a half-decent case with reasonable sources.
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    (Original post by Strimpy)
    this made me laugh lol "therefore according to the dictionary" haha

    completely logical argument, nope cannot see a single flaw there, how has such a formidable intellect not yet been appointed to a senior academic position
    Where is it wrong?

    The dictionary defines fascism as right-wing. Mussolini advocates the minimum wage. Therefore, if the dictionary is a reliable source of information then those who support the implementation of a minimum wage are right-wing.

    Or are you telling me the dictionary is wrong?
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Are you even attempting to apply basic logic there? It doesn't look like it.

    Where did your 76% figure come from, exactly? Which page on the article you liked to?

    And please learn to recognise a biased publication when you see one. If I was to come on here pushing a point I would at least make a vague effort to present a half-decent case with reasonable sources.
    Would you like me to TL;DR it for you? No thanks.

    The Independent is biased now? I assume HEPI.ac.uk is too? Yeah, let's go back to the previous page: burn all the books! Some sources are 'evil'!
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Where is it wrong?

    The dictionary defines fascism as right-wing. Mussolini advocates the minimum wage. Therefore, if the dictionary is a reliable source of information on every conceivable topic, those who support the implementation of a minimum wage are right-wing.

    Or are you telling me the dictionary is wrong?
    No, we're saying your logic is wrong.

    Hitler had a moustache. That doesn't mean that everyone who has a moustache is Hitler.
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Would you like me to TL;DR it for you? No thanks.

    The Independent is biased now? I assume HEPI.ac.uk is too? Yeah, let's go back to the previous page: burn all the books! Some sources are 'evil'!
    I've read the HEPI article and can't see your 76% figure. I'd like to know exactly where you've taken it from.

    Do you know that the Independent didn't research this themselves? Do you even know who produced those figures about millenials' views on communism? If you can't spot the bias there then I'm concerned for you.
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Where is it wrong?

    The dictionary defines fascism as right-wing. Mussolini advocates the minimum wage. Therefore, if the dictionary is a reliable source of information on every conceivable topic, those who support the implementation of a minimum wage are right-wing.

    Or are you telling me the dictionary is wrong?
    ok, you can't just extrapolate your argument like that.

    Jeremy Corbyn also (strongly) advocates the minimum wage. By your logic this would make him also right-wing?

    Seriously tho, its arguments like this that allow men like Trump to win elections
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    It's rather telling that it'd be very difficult to come up with a list of leaders of Marxist/Communist nations who you'd actually be able to class as benevolent.
    I can maybe think of one or two who weren't relatively too bad when compared to Stalin, Mao, Kim etc but none who you can class as universally decent.

    If you ever think pure Marxism/Communism will work then you're a fool.
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Where is it wrong?

    The dictionary defines fascism as right-wing. Mussolini advocates the minimum wage. Therefore, if the dictionary is a reliable source of information then those who support the implementation of a minimum wage are right-wing.

    Or are you telling me the dictionary is wrong?
    All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares, dude.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Why?

    It's more fun to live in a world where a significant fraction of the world population starve whilst others buy golden towers and name them after themselves?
    "Fun" doesn't come into it, but it's better than communism. If you feel you would rather live in Soviet Russia, Maoist China, or North Korea than the US, then you are ignorant.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    "Fun" doesn't come into it, but it's better than communism. If you feel you would rather live in Soviet Russia, Maoist China, or North Korea than the US, then you are ignorant.
    I never suggested that I would. That there has not yet existed a good example of a benevolent communist goverment in power does not proclude the possibilty of one either hypothetically or in the future.
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Oh my, 'educated' liberals strike again.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7366131.html

    Only 25% of millennials correctly identified that communism had killed 100 million people and only 37% have an 'unfavourable' view of communism.

    Perhaps it would be a good time to raise the topic of why old people shouldn't vote because they're stupid and ignorant? I believe that was the prevailing trend of the post-referendum liberal propaganda?

    Of course, it was typified by this lovely article in GQ: we should ban old people from voting and some of these lovely placards at the post-referendum protests: 'old people, please die.'

    Then again, 76% of students would ban speakers who hold views which "offend them" so I guess the real question is: who, other than 'educated liberals', is allowed to say or do anything?
    The term useful idiot comes to mind when reading posts like this, you do know that right wing essentially means the status quo right? So to suggest liberal propaganda by the MSM is madness.

    The Overton Window (Look it up as I bet you don't know what it is) is so far right these days and things look so bleak it's no wonder millennials are so angry at the system they believe nutters like Stalin and the communist movement aren't that bad (Can you even define communism or socialism?) .

    It is right wing insanity which has put us in this mess, the global economy is set to collapse soon (George Osborne couldn't have recovered our economy it has nothing to do with the fact he wasn't mean enough to the peasants)
    and the obvious environment issues which again our current system is unable to deal with no matter what reforms they try.
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    As we move on in time, the more it will become evident that the main political implications of the 20th C are that Communism was tried, tested and discarded. The very root of its demise as a viable social model was the inability to generate enough income to pay the bills to an even higher extent than the capitalist system in the west. Stagnant centrally-planned economies, no freedom of enterprise, bloated civil services at an unnafordable cost, crossing over from Berlin's western sector into the other side was like going through a time-hole setting you back a few decades.

    The Chinese, in their traditional wisdom, wised up to that in the late 70s. With Mao gone, the regime decided to try out some 'capitalism' in a controlled experiment just like we do with GM crops and we can see they thought it worked alright. All communist experiments have failed to pay their way and have ended up incorporating an element of capitalism.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    I never suggested that I would. That there has not yet existed a good example of a benevolent communist goverment in power does not proclude the possibilty of one either hypothetically or in the future.
    It most probably won't (hard to tell what sort of communism you have in mind) but if it does it will have to be imposed on people. There would have to be an array of repressive measures for everyone who thought communism isn't the best option and in no time a gulag would be popping up somewhere. Would you have free elections in this vision? A centrally-planned economy, no freedom of assembly or speech anywhere, imprisonment of political dissenters, which of those can 'communism' do away with in order to function?

    Also, it would have to start with the removal and replacing of all existent ruling classes and I'd love to hear McDonnell on the best way to go about it. Followed by nationalization the Normans' way, what else? Implementing any form of communism would have to go through those steps and that's why it did in the past and would have to at any point in future.
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    (Original post by zhog)
    It most probably won't (hard to tell what sort of communism you have in mind) but if it does it will have to be imposed on people. There would have to be an array of repressive measures for everyone who thought communism isn't the best option and in no time a gulag would be popping up somewhere. Would you have free elections in this vision? A centrally-planned economy, no freedom of assembly or speech anywhere, imprisonment of political dissenters, which of those can 'communism' do away with in order to function?

    Also, it would have to start with the removal and replacing of all existent ruling classes and I'd love to hear McDonnell on the best way to go about it. Followed by nationalization the Normans' way, what else? Implementing any form of communism would have to go through those steps and that's why it did in the past and would have to at any point in future.
    Just like world peace, communism is sadly dependent on people in general repressing their urges to be selfish pricks. Doesn't mean it can't still be something to be desired and advocated without losing sight of the here-and-now issues of trying to stop so many people starving and suffering under capitalism.
 
 
 
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