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    (Original post by The Boosh)
    ^^ i'm sure you could. the scientific world view emerged because of a pariticular socio-cultural context. I think CB would agree with this too. we have to remember that science as we know it is a relatively recent practice , whilst philosophy etc has a huge history going back to ancient times. science (as ideology or practice) is just as situated as everything else and what's believed to be ideal science now will look like hocus-pocus in the future.

    edit: cue rorty...
    Ahhh yeah, you make a very good point. You could get some very very good debates going about it too.

    Just remembered that it does come in at undergrad History level as well - the science/intellectual debate I mean. I didn't do it, but I know a couple of friends were reading & writing about the change in view of Science, its practices etc etc. Have also seen whole modules offered on it elsewhere as well.

    Darwin's a prime example both for History and Science
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    Yeah I think you could do an intellectual history of science, in fact I'd go so far as to say that there are philosophers and historians of science out there that do exactly that. I suppose the wierd thing about science is that the more successful an idea is, generally the less ownership the originator has upon it.
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    the history of science is an academic sub-discipline. i think oxford do a masters in it. thomas kuhn and the so-called science wars resulted in an aweful lot of literature being published, but the debate surrounding the philosophy of science has been around for donkeys. it's the issue of "science as we know it" which is relatively new.
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    (Original post by ChemistBoy)
    Yeah I think you could do an intellectual history of science, in fact I'd go so far as to say that there are philosophers and historians of science out there that do exactly that. I suppose the wierd thing about science is that the more successful an idea is, generally the less ownership the originator has upon it.
    exactly. you also get philosophy of biology etc. it's at this intellectually experimental level that exciting theories and models emerge, bridging empirical disciplines with philosophical interpretation which in turn reinform that public psyche about how the world exists and - a slowly evolving implicit western ontology.
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    Didn't know they did it for Biology. Majorly stand corrected :shy2: :stupido2:

    But does any of it come up on an undergrad course though? Or it is only there for those who want to study it at MA level etc?
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    (Original post by vickytoria77)
    Didn't know they did it for Biology.

    But does any of it come up on an undergrad course though? Or it is only there for those who want to study it at MA level etc?
    It seems more postgrad orientated although I have heard of people doing it at undergrad in history and philosophy degrees. I guess the reason why it stays at postgrad is because the area does recruit students with undergraduate degrees in science (especially physics) and some philosophers of science do have an initial training in the sciences. If money wasn't an issue then I'd quite like to study it myself, but staying in science offers better, more stable career prospects.
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    i never read about it as an undergrad but i suspect it's staple diet for many courses.
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    (Original post by ChemistBoy)
    It seems more postgrad orientated although I have heard of people doing it at undergrad in history and philosophy degrees. I guess the reason why it stays at postgrad is because the area does recruit students with undergraduate degrees in science (especially physics) and some philosophers of science do have an initial training in the sciences. If money wasn't an issue then I'd quite like to study it myself, but staying in science offers better, more stable career prospects.
    That makes sense - I've got a friend doing bio-chem, might ask whether she's come across anything remotely related to it before.

    It does come up in History though, but what I find amazing is that some courses don't even touch the issue of Post-modernism etc until the second or third year, let alone anything linked to the intellectual side
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    The history and philosophy of science is interesting, and something I'd love to read up on, at some point.
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    My current favorite professor is very interested in history of science/reviews books on it for my favorite online publication (!!).

    I'm considering applying for this same course in 2008. Which now doesn't sound so far away now!! Good luck & I'd be curious to hear any more information too
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    (Original post by vickytoria77)
    That makes sense - I've got a friend doing bio-chem, might ask whether she's come across anything remotely related to it before.

    It does come up in History though, but what I find amazing is that some courses don't even touch the issue of Post-modernism etc until the second or third year, let alone anything linked to the intellectual side
    aha! here we go:

    http://www.huss.ex.ac.uk/sociology/p...logy/index.htm

    exeter has a really random school. of philosophy - small, but seemingly high profile. i suspect the specialist nature of the field makes exeter a beacon by default given that it has a sub-dept. for the philosophy and sociology of biology. that, and the fact that certain academics reside there makes it appealing to others. the staff profiles are interesting - it reads like a pick 'n' mix of brandnames. yale, lse, berekely, cambridge, oxford, imperial, milan, stanford, paris etc.


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    (Original post by The Boosh)
    the history of science is an academic sub-discipline. i think oxford do a masters in it. thomas kuhn and the so-called science wars resulted in an aweful lot of literature being published, but the debate surrounding the philosophy of science has been around for donkeys. it's the issue of "science as we know it" which is relatively new.
    LSE's undergrad philosophy course is "Philosophy, Logic, and the Scientific Method." At my undergrad you could major in History of Science as well.
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    I suppose that makes sense given that Popper was a prof. at LSE (I'm guessing there is a Popper chair or something similar...). It may also help explain the roots of Exeter's dept. given how some of the key players share an LSE/Stanford background.

    I quite like tracing the history of ideas. Once you expose the roots of a discipline and show where it has come from, you can really critique it and bat-off arguments the tradition may have against your own position.
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    Did anyone here take this MA at QMUL last year (and opinions?)? Or is anyone enrolled for this coming year? I was supposed to start last year but deferred for a year, looking forward to getting on with it now!
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    Where are you stuyding your degree? I'm not sure how much use I would be with advise as I haven't yet started the MA, but have gone through the application process, if there was something specific you wanted to know I may be able to assist
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    (Original post by redluc)
    A few questions -
    By when do we need to apply?
    Do we apply through UCAS?
    May we apply to more than one masters course?
    Are you required to have an interview?
    Is there any sort of 'postgrad accomodation' one may apply to or must we make arrangements elsewhere?
    In order: depends on the course; no, you apply to the university; yes, as many as you like; possible but unlikely, depending on the university; and yes, there nearly always is.
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    A few questions -
    By when do we need to apply?
    Do we apply through UCAS?
    May we apply to more than one masters course?
    Are you required to have an interview?
    Is there any sort of 'postgrad accomodation' one may apply to or must we make arrangements elsewhere?
    I can only speak for the London MA as that is the one I've applied to (there's also an MPhil at Cambridge), but you can apply any time up until enrolment, there is no deadline for enrolemnt. However, if you plan to apply for funding they recommended at the latest you apply by February of the year you intend to study. I applied by May 2007 but for deferred entry Sept 2008.

    You don't apply through UCAS but directly to the university and you can apply for as many masters as you want to, at as many universities as you want.

    There may be a requirement of an interview, I wasn't interviewed, so I guess it is down to the individual university and what they think of your application - maybe if you were applying for postgrad in an area you hadn't studied they would insist on an interview to see if you knew your stuff

    There is usually postgrad accommodation at most universities and quite often specific postgrad halls, or they put all the post grads together.

    I hope that info helps
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    Hi. A good friend of mine is doing this exact course this coming year, at QMUL. He's very excited about Skinner etc and has been going on about the course in general for ages. He only knows one other person starting in Sept- someone following Skinner from Cantab apparently. But I could put anyone commencing it in touch with him or vice versa. He'll be in a Hall. He went to Sheffield which has a good reputation in Politics I belive (what he studied there, along with Philosophy).
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    You should get your friend to join this forum so he can get in touch with other people starting this course, and other qmul students of course thanks.
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    Hi Lorien how did you get on with applying I am also? What did you include in our personal statement?
 
 
 

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