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(Original post by focusST)
now there is someone with brains
since you said ive been using them since, and you can get them phatique'd better cause you can go much lower and much higher, also its more natural as you dont have to strain your wrists.
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now you can see that the pretentious gits that accuse me of talking crap, are, in fact, stupid. long live good advice!
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now you can see that the pretentious gits that accuse me of talking crap, are, in fact, stupid. long live good advice!
"ALL HAIL BIG ASS TRAP MAN" lol
























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haha, ive switched my profile back to the big ass trap man one now lol.
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best pic id say.
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also op, buy a trap bar
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you shouldnt do bench press with a bar, you should use dumbells
With regard to beginners I disagree, and so does Mark Rippetoe. The bar makes it easier to pinch your scapulae together on the bench because you can 'pull the bar apart' by contracting your lats. Try this with dumbells and you will just drop them, probably pulling a muscle in the process. When you get more advanced dumbells may be better. I don't really care since bench press strength doesn't play a huge part in what I do, so I just use the bar because I can use the aforementioned technique to provide a stronger base and avoid injury.
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(Original post by focusST)
now there is someone with brains
The main compound exercises are Bench Press, Military press, squats, Barbell Rows, Deadlifts. I see these as essentials in any good routines, however make sure that your form is correct.
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Mark Rippetoe isnt god, you seem to like him a bit too much. yes his program is good, but it has its flaws, just like everything.

i still say that dumbells are better, and why would you pull the whatever with your lats anyway? its a chest exersise....
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(Original post by focusST)
Mark Rippetoe isnt god, you seem to like him a bit too much. yes his program is good, but it has its flaws, just like everything.
I don't use his program, and I like Pavel Tsatsouline better. In any case, Rippetoe is an outstanding strength coach who really specialises in training beginners.

i still say that dumbells are better, and why would you pull the whatever with your lats anyway? its a chest exersise....
You should have your scapulae pinched together when you bench because this gives you a stronger, more stable bench from which you can push off. A more advanced athlete might be disciplined enough to do this with dumbbells, but it is easier to teach a beginner to simply pull apart the bar.
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When I have my own house I'll get a power rack, flat bench, barbell, plates, that's pretty much all I'll need, assuming I still follow Starting Strength-like programs (5x5, for example). Later, I may get dumbells for bench.

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I don’t see why you need any kind of spotters unless you’re working to failure, which I don’t recommend unless you’re a bodybuilder.
Weird, that goes against what members on here.

Meathead, who's considered a powerlifter, occasionally lifts to failure (during meets and on some days working up to meets), or at least, so I remember. His routine is different to what most people do in the gym.

Why, who aspires to be a bodybuilder never works to failure (as part of his MAX-OT)... IIRC.

(Original post by FocusST)
I could have to on your knees in 20 mins using only a set of 4kg dumbells.
You're planning on pummeling him with a pair of 4kg dumbells aren't you?

POW

(Original post by burningnun)
With regard to beginners I disagree, and so does Mark Rippetoe.
Where does he say this? I read the chapter on Bench last night and didn't read anything like that. In fact, he says:
"[The dumbell bench press] is probably a better exercise for most purposes other than powerlifting competition." - (Page 68, last paragraph)

I'm looking forward to his new book, written to be read by trainees rather than trainers.

(Original post by FocusST)
Mark Rippetoe isnt god, you seem to like him a bit too much. yes his program is good, but it has its flaws, just like everything.
What flaws do you think it has? (Don't take this as me defending Starting Strength, I'm actually just interested)
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(Original post by TomX)


Weird, that goes against what members on here.

Meathead, who's considered a powerlifter, occasionally lifts to failure (during meets and on some days working up to meets), or at least, so I remember. His routine is different to what most people do in the gym.
I only said I wouldn’t recommend it. I generally follow Pavel Tsatsouline’s guidelines for strength. Other powerlifters might train to failure, I don’t know because I am not a powerlifter.

Why, who aspires to be a bodybuilder never works to failure (as part of his MAX-OT)... IIRC.

I don’t understand this sentence. However, many bodybuilders do fail on their last set, or even sometimes more frequently than that. Most notably, those doing Mentzer HIT.

Where does he say this? I read the chapter on Bench last night and didn't read anything like that. In fact, he says:
"[The dumbell bench press] is probably for most purposes other than powerlifting competition." - (Page 68, last paragraph)
I don’t know, I’m not at home so I don’t have access to the book. However I’m almost certain the kids at his gym start with the bar.


What flaws do you think it has? (Don't take this as me defending Starting Strength, I'm actually just interested)
Personally I think the Pendlay rows as an alternative for power cleans is a flaw. I find pull-ups are better. I have heard about Rippetoe using chins instead of rows at his gym but I can’t really back that up.
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(Original post by burningnun)
(Original post by TomX)
Why, who aspires to be a bodybuilder never works to failure (as part of his MAX-OT)... IIRC.
I don’t understand this sentence. However, many bodybuilders do fail on their last set, or even sometimes more frequently than that. Most notably, those doing Mentzer HIT.
'Why' is a member of this forum, yea it was a confusing sentence if you didn't realise this, which I assume you didn't...?

(Original post by burningnun)
I don’t know, I’m not at home so I don’t have access to the book. However I’m almost certain the kids at his gym start with the bar.
From the book: "Nevertheless, we will all be bench pressing with a barbell, as the weight of history and precedent demands." (Page 70, 4th line)
I don't know if this applies to his gym though.

(Original post by burningnun)
Personally I think the Pendlay rows as an alternative for power cleans is a flaw. I find pull-ups are better.
Does he actual recommend pendlay rows over pull ups? I've only seen that on custom SS routines, if I remember correctly.

(Original post by burningnun)
I have heard about Rippetoe using chins instead of rows at his gym but I can’t really back that up.
I too have heard that (I think it was on the SS thread at bodybuilding.com, by the member Dave76, I think), I think the reason given was the technique for rows are much tougher than pull ups/chins.

I go for squat,bench,dead,dips and squat,press,rows,chins where dips and chins are optional (depending on how tired I feel).
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(Original post by TomX)
'Why' is a member of this forum, yea it was a confusing sentence if you didn't realise this, which I assume you didn't...?

Thanks for clearing that up.

From the book: "Nevertheless, we will all be bench pressing with a barbell, as the weight of history and precedent demands." (Page 70, 4th line)
I don't know if this applies to his gym though.

That surprises me. If I wanted to sacrifice results for tradition I would lift rocks and only eat what I can kill with a sharpened flint on a stick.

Does he actual recommend pendlay rows over pull ups? I've only seen that on custom SS routines, if I remember correctly.

Glen Pendlay co-authors the book and customisers must have got their idea from somewhere.

I too have heard that (I think it was on the SS thread at bodybuilding.com, by the member Dave76, I think), I think the reason given was the technique for rows are much tougher than pull ups/chins.

I think you're right.

I go for squat,bench,dead,dips and squat,press,rows,chins where dips and chins are optional (depending on how tired I feel).

I would personally do mil. press and dips together, but hey.
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'why' has a hell of a lot of aspiring to do if he ever wants to be considered even an amateur bodybuilder!
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I disagree with the guy who said an olympic bar is an essential for a beginner?!?! If hes just started a standard bar would be fine.....i mean hes not gonna be able to bench press 80-100kg for a long time unless he trains hardcore.
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