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    Oh yes, I'm always tossing off to politics.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Well it's really far more simple... Deformed worker's states?
    Yeh I know I cut your quote down to the first and last lines I just didn't want to page stretch unnecessarily :p:

    Yeh I agree with the amendments you make there though I'll just chip in another view while I'm at it on the communism point.

    Communism as we know it emerged as a result of capitalism and the idea of the working class rising up and toppling it and all that but I think that communism could exist on it's core principles of equality for all and joint benefit without the emergence of capitalism. I think that communism as a reaction to capitalism is just a variation of the pure ideas of communism that are living equally and benefitting equally. Arguably it may not have been thought up if capitalism had never become present, but if that had been so then we might still exist under its core principles, possibly under another ideological name, without knowing that in this 'parallel universe' it had been created as a result of capitalism. But otherwise I agree that in our history it has been created as a result of capitalism, were it not for that I think it could still exist based on its central principles possibly brought about by another circumstance or maybe just thought up randomly.

    Oh and yeh, my China example was poor really. It's the one people tend to think of when they want to think of modern-day communism examples even though, like the USSR, China is probably mislabelled as communist. I remember discussing other modern examples but they were all grossly un-communist in some way or another - there was even a practice essay on it as I recall.
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    Yes, you'd have to be pretty damn naive not to.
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    (Original post by bigman_ben)
    if Hitler hadn't have gone completely loopy with the ideas he had and the power he had to implement them, most of them were actually quite good.
    Jesus wept.
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    I didn't care at all until I frequented TSR, and I still fail to genuinely understand how it would affect me to such a precipitous extent. Tbpfh I've primarily taken an interest in politics and general affairs because it seems interesting and it satiates my need to argue.
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    A level politics made me care, it still amazes me when people say they don't understand what left and right are. Forget politicians, these are the processes and rules that decide how you live your life, which say what is lawful and what isn't, why you have the freedom of speech, why you're not afraid to speak out in public about the government without fear for yourself or your family.

    The political system we have in Britain is sobering when you consider what the alternatives are, both in other parts of the world and in the past. I think people should be more knowledgeable of exactly how far we've come.
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    Politics is show biz for ugly people.

    So naturally, i care.

    a lot.
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    (Original post by Zayne)
    A level politics made me care, it still amazes me when people say they don't understand what left and right are.
    I too did politics A level and while I've found it totally inspiring in wanting to vote and keep interested in such things, a friend who did the same course as me found that before he did it he was all up for voting but after he never wanted to vote in his life.

    Strange eh?
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    I watch Question Time and try to keep up to date with current events so I would say I'm interested in politics but it's not something I feel passionate about. I can't even make my mind up, about who to vote for.
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    Politics (and economics) determines how the world works. So if you aren't interested - your loss, I suppose. Let other people debate how the world should be run; you'll just shrug and accept the way things go, right?
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    I've been interested in politics for a long time- I've been reading the newspapers since I was about 10/11 and I think that anyone who says they don't give two hoots about it is really naive and most likely a hypocrite, especially if they've ever complained/supported a law before e.g. the smoking ban. I'm doing Politics A-Level now and I've found it immensely useful to understand the way the country is run rather than living in constant ignorance.
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    I don't buy into the idea that anyone doesn't give a toss about politics. People who make such claims are misdefining or misunderstanding the concept. Everyone gives a toss how much money they have in their pocket. Everyone gives a toss about how their family is treated when they're ill. Everyone gives a toss about whether bombs are raining down on their street. Everyone gives a toss about whether they're arbitrarily conscripted into the army to fight a war. Everyone gives a toss about whether they have freedom from incareration.

    And, indeed, everyone gives a toss about whether rabid theocrats get to prohibit us from ever giving a toss. At all. Even in the morning.

    So, you might not be enthused by the tone or content of our current national debate, but you care about politics. You just don't know it.
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    (Original post by bigman_ben)
    if Hitler hadn't have gone completely loopy with the ideas he had and the power he had to implement them, most of them were actually quite good.
    Not entirely true. He went insane with spending in the public sector, which pushed Germany into war much earlier than they'd intended.

    But you're right to a degree.
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    (Original post by laroux555)
    well can you explain in laymans terms what it is.
    i've tried google but its too complicated.

    please define socialism, communism and fascism for me, but it easy terms not complicated terms

    SOCIALISM:You have 2 cows, and you give one to your neighbour.

    COMMUNISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both and gives you some milk.

    FASCISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both and sells you some milk.

    NAZISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both and shoots you.

    BUREAUCRATISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away…

    TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM:You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.
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    Our generation have moved away from left and right politics, they're far less relavent these days.

    All 3 political parties have very similar ideas and are all pretty much centre right these days. The whole concept of being "left wing" could not survive in politics now, less than a 3rd of the population would be considered working class in comparison to the 2 3rds that exsisted when Labour and socialism "took off" in this country. Old labour is dead.

    It's this lack of representation for the white working classes that could explain the popularity of the BNP, Labour are no longer the workers party.

    Voters these days aren't looking at who's left and who's right, they wait for someone to promise something benificial to them and that's where the vote goes.
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    Politics is annoying if its any more right wing than old Labour.
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    (Original post by </Tom>)
    SOCIALISM:You have 2 cows, and you give one to your neighbour.

    COMMUNISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both and gives you some milk.

    FASCISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both and sells you some milk.

    NAZISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both and shoots you.

    BUREAUCRATISM:You have 2 cows. The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away…

    TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM:You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.
    I have that poster on the door of my room at university. It's to make me seem more sophisticated and intelligent so people don't get entirely the wrong idea when they come in to see the Hollyoak boys topless poster and some other topless man poster. Admittedly they are balanced with pictures of scenic beauty and one with a message about love on. :rolleyes: It's nice really. :redface:
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    I began A-Level History, and we were doing political stuff, and the unification of Germany and votes for women etc...but my brain automatically starts to ignore what I'm reading/hearing...
    So in answer to your question...no. I don't really give a toss about politics...although I do reckon they're important as to how the country is run etc etc etc...
    :-)
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    As I've got older i.e > 18 I have a slight interest in politics.
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    Politics is of little interest to me. Unless it's Obama where he gives amazing speeches.
 
 
 
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