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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    You made my point. Nobody can be defined equal by one person. They are of equal worth. A person is a human and all humans are worth the same.
    You just contradicted yourself.

    People are not 'worth' the same. That's a "Social Fact." A subway dude is not worth as much to me as a qualified doctor if I were ill.

    However, qualifications does not make a good person, and for that people should be given the opportunity to better their quality of life.

    Life styles are far from equal if we're being pragmatic, but this does not mean people are either good or bad because of it.
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    (Original post by Podgeykins)
    You just contradicted yourself.

    People are not 'worth' the same. That's a "Social Fact." A subway dude is not worth as much to me as a qualified doctor if I were ill.

    However, qualifications does not make a good person, and for that people should be given the opportunity to better their quality of life.

    Life styles are far from equal if we're being pragmatic, but this does not mean people are either good or bad because of it.
    I am not talking about a persons economic or practical worth. Im saying the life of any one person is equal to the life of any other. We must strive to ensure everybody in the police force, regardless as to their belife, acts this way when in the roll of a police officer.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    I am not talking about a persons economic or practical worth. Im saying the life of any one person is equal to the life of any other. We must strive to ensure everybody in the police force, regardless as to their belife, acts this way when in the roll of a police officer.
    You never said that to begin with. Lifestyle and Life is different entirely.

    I apologize that I must be straight, but get it sorted.

    If this is your take on it, how do you plan on making sure that this happens?
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    (Original post by Podgeykins)
    You never said that to begin with. Lifestyle and Life is different entirely.
    you were saying a person on jsa was worth a different amount to someone else. I was saying they are worth the same. Do you now agree with me?

    I apologize that I must be straight, but get it sorted.
    ... What?

    If this is your take on it, how do you plan on making sure that this happens?
    well our prisons bill would have helped.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    you were saying a person on jsa was worth a different amount to someone else. I was saying they are worth the same. Do you now agree with me?

    ... What?

    well our prisons bill would have helped.
    No I don't agree with you, for life-style and life are DIFFERENT.

    The life of a person is equal, their life-style is not.

    Every person has the same liberty, it's how they use it defines their worth subjectively.

    Someone on Job Seekers allowance will not undergo emergency surgery on me in a hospital or prescribe me medicine. I understand that he is unemployed, but he's not 'worth' much unemployed to me.

    That prison bill had nothing to do with stop and searches, or selective law enforcement. So no, it would not have helped.

    I'm no longer going to hi-jack the labour thread as it's simply not fair, do not respond since you have blindly answered this discussion.
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    What are you going to do with regards to the varios pro-terrorist demostrations that have occured recently?
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    What are you going to do with regards to the varios pro-terrorist demostrations that have occured recently?
    Nothing? I don't really care, people can demonstrate about whatever they want.
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    Even when expressing support (and that could also mean that many in the demo could give financial support and so)
    for terrorist groups like the IRA, Al quada, Hamas and Hezbollah?
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Even when expressing support (and that could also mean that many in the demo could give financial support and so)
    for terrorist groups like the IRA, Al quada, Hamas and Hezbollah?
    I think if people want to have a demonstration in support of a terrorist group, they should be able to. People should be allowed to express their opinions. Financial aid to a terrorist group is another matter though.
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    Would the Labour party work to reverse the precedent laid out in R v Brown, pushing back the increased amounts of victimless crimes established over the last century by the legislature and judiciary in the UK?
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    What is the Labour Party's position on energy? Specifically renewable energy and nuclear energy investment in addition to more conventional means.
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    Would you deal with terrorist states like Iran?

    Would you do as Nick Cohen suggests and enter a "cold war" with Iran?
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    (Original post by LawBore)
    Would the Labour party work to reverse the precedent laid out in R v Brown, pushing back the increased amounts of victimless crimes established over the last century by the legislature and judiciary in the UK?
    These kind of cases are quite difficult. My initial feeling is that it's rather dangerous to say that people can do any kind of violent act to one another as long as the other 'consents'. How would you really know they're consenting? Perhaps the one who consents is mentally ill and can't make rational judgements?

    I'm not sure I would class these as victimless crimes, could you give me any other examples of what you would class as victimless crimes?

    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    What is the Labour Party's position on energy? Specifically renewable energy and nuclear energy investment in addition to more conventional means.
    I want 100% renewable energy as soon as possible. Nuclear is better than fossil fuels, but ideally I want all renewable.

    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Would you deal with terrorist states like Iran?

    Would you do as Nick Cohen suggests and enter a "cold war" with Iran?
    I broadly agree with the Lib Dem's response. Although I do think all countries need to get rid of their nuclear weapons before telling other countries not to make them. And I would only agree to military intervention as a last resort, if they posed a significant and imminent threat to us.
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    (Original post by lotsofsnails)
    I'm not sure I would class these as victimless crimes, could you give me any other examples of what you would class as victimless crimes?
    Classical cases would be, for example, cannabis (or other drugs) use, assisted suicide, and 'obscene' publications for adult use.
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    Did/do you support the international intervention into Iraq?
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Did/do you support the international intervention into Iraq?
    I did not support the invasion to begin with, however now we have committed ourselves, international forces should remain present in the country until such a time that the Iraqi government can control its own affairs and defend itself.
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    (Original post by LawBore)
    Classical cases would be, for example, cannabis (or other drugs) use, assisted suicide, and 'obscene' publications for adult use.
    I think those three things should be allowed.

    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Do you support the international intervention into Iraq?
    No, I think the Iraq war is the most reprehensible thing Labour have ever done.
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    In this case, I can see a productive parliament for pushing back the role of the state in our personal lives- the Lib Dems, Labour, Socialists, and (I assume) the Libertarians have responded positively on this issue (although it has ben pointed out to me that the HoC had its Euthanasia Bill).
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    Would the Labour Party support a measure removing the pointed tip from kitchen knives? (the argument being that you don't actually use said tip to cut most of the time and this makes the knife a less lethal weapon).
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Would the Labour Party support a measure removing the pointed tip from kitchen knives? (the argument being that you don't actually use said tip to cut most of the time and this makes the knife a less lethal weapon).
    :rofl:
    I've come across it in three question time threads now, and it still made me giggle. But uke gave the best answer for this :yep:
 
 
 
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