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    (Original post by chemting)
    No mate, he's a devil worshipper - like me

    And apparently a False Murtad - also like me


    Edit: btw, being a Buddhist and an atheist technically aren't mutually exclusive...

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    Nahh i rather prefer the devout Buddhist. Hmmm.... i see what you mean.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Lol. Nowhere in the Qur'an or any Hadith does it say "go and enslave people". Islam actually eradicated many methods of enslavement that people used to practice before. The only enslavement that is permitted in Islam is enslavement through war. Letting people go during these times would have meant a higher risk of them spreading injustice and killing Muslims, as was their aim.

    There are also guidelines to dealing with slaves: they must be clothed and fed the same as their masters, and they should be treated with kindness. If his master beats him then he must release his slave. Most slaves actually became part of the family. So technically this isn't "slavery" - they were treated fairly and with the same rights. A slave also had the right to 'buy' himself free from his master.

    Think of how maids, butlers and so on are treated by some people nowadays and compare it to how slaves were treated during those times by the Muslims.

    I think you need to read more into this subject. It's not as simple as "Islam permits slavery". Your ancestors most likely used to kidnap Africans, beat them, and sell them as a sort of business. This is definitely not permitted in Islam, so please stop going on about how "civilised" non-Muslims are.

    [a Hadith Qudsi] “Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).
    You do realise you demonstrated his point. Instead of condemning slavery you go on a rant about the moral faults of some bodies ancestors whilst defending Islams permission in slavery by saying hey it wasn't bad as some other version.

    Do you find the idea of owning a person as property for he intention of sexual gratification a repugnant idea or do you find it permissible.

    Because let's not forget that pretty much every historian of Islam says that Islam made slavery more common and wide spread due to its outright acceptance of it.

    In the words of Bernard Lewis
    In one of the sad paradoxes of human history, it was the humanitarian reforms brought by Islam that resulted in a vast development of the slave trade inside, and still more outside, the Islamic empire
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    There are also guidelines to dealing with slaves: they must be clothed and fed the same as their masters, and they should be treated with kindness. If his master beats him then he must release his slave. Most slaves actually became part of the family. So technically this isn't "slavery" - they were treated fairly and with the same rights. A slave also had the right to 'buy' himself free from his master.

    Think of how maids, butlers and so on are treated by some people nowadays and compare it to how slaves were treated during those times by the Muslims.
    That's brilliant! How do I get to be a slave?

    Wait, though. Surely, being a slave, my freedom would be curtailed, so it wouldn't be quite as nice as it sounds? I'm not so sure now.

    Back in the real world. the only people I have heard of that treat their employees as badly as slaves were treated are Moslems. The Middle Eastern domestic worker employers are notorious for it.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    Wait are you an Arab Christian?
    I know this is an old post but I was looking over this forum and needed to reply. I come from an Egyptian family which are Christian. Even though Christianity is the minority religion, it isn't uncommon. So just an eye opener that not all Arabs are Muslim
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    (Original post by justmyname)
    I know this is an old post but I was looking over this forum and needed to reply. I come from an Egyptian family which are Christian. Even though Christianity is the minority religion, it isn't uncommon. So just an eye opener that not all Arabs are Muslim


    Yes I know that not all Arabs are muslim, I was just trying to know her exact race and religion.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    Yes I know that not all Arabs are muslim, I was just trying to know her exact race and religion.
    ah ok fair enough
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    Says who?
    Lets be real the world doesnt start and stop in the west.
    Theres asian countries,arab countries,african countries,caribbean countries dont think its normal.
    Just because YOU do doesnt mean its true.
    Scientifically conducted, biological studies says. Many species display homosexual behaviour, in all animal groups - from butterflies to lizards to fish to owls to dolphins.
    It has nothing to do with "the West" or national culture.

    The question should really be - given the evidence that homosexuality is a natural phenomenon, why are you (and your god) against it?
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    A devout peace-loving, pacifistic Buddhist. Either that or an athiest.
    They are not necessarily different things.

    But yes. Gnostic atheist, agnostic adeist.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I'm grateful for my upbringing
    And inshallah ya rab,I hope to raise my kids in a Christian household too
    So, childhood indoctrination then. Which is the only reason that religion has survived the Age of Reason.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Scientifically conducted, biological studies says. Many species display homosexual behaviour, in all animal groups - from butterflies to lizards to fish to owls to dolphins.
    It has nothing to do with "the West" or national culture.

    The question should really be - given the evidence that homosexuality is a natural phenomenon, why are you (and your god) against it?
    Ive never understood that argument tbh.
    Infact thats mainly the only argument i hear "because its in the animal kingdom" is that supposed to actually mean something?
    Animals do a lot of things.
    Incest,rape,torture,murder.
    They are all found in the animal kingdom but they sure hell aint "natural"
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    Ive never understood that argument tbh.
    Infact thats mainly the only argument i hear "because its in the animal kingdom" is that supposed to actually mean something?
    Animals do a lot of things.
    Incest,rape,torture,murder.
    They are all found in the animal kingdom but they sure hell aint "natural"
    Jesus that is stupid.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Lol. Nowhere in the Qur'an or any Hadith does it say "go and enslave people".
    As a recent convert, you are obviously not familiar with how Islam works yet. Probably because you have only been exposed to the cherry-picked, sanitised dawahganda that is fed to the kuffar.

    Whatever is permitted in the Quran (and whatever was done or allowed by Muhammad) is permitted to Muslims. It is not compulsory, but it is not forbidden either.
    "What Allah has maded halal, no man can make haram".
    So the keeping of slaves is allowed, and always will be, because Allah's word is infallable and eternal.

    Islam actually eradicated many methods of enslavement that people used to practice before. The only enslavement that is permitted in Islam is enslavement through war. Letting people go during these times would have meant a higher risk of them spreading injustice and killing Muslims, as was their aim.

    There are also guidelines to dealing with slaves: they must be clothed and fed the same as their masters, and they should be treated with kindness. If his master beats him then he must release his slave. Most slaves actually became part of the family. So technically this isn't "slavery" - they were treated fairly and with the same rights. A slave also had the right to 'buy' himself free from his master.

    Think of how maids, butlers and so on are treated by some people nowadays and compare it to how slaves were treated during those times by the Muslims.

    [a Hadith Qudsi] “Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).
    And, without any apparent sense of irony, you go on to defend slavery (the very point that I made in the post that you are attempting to refute) - the only reason being that it is allowed by your "perfect" religion.

    I think you need to read more into this subject. It's not as simple as "Islam permits slavery". Your ancestors most likely used to kidnap Africans, beat them, and sell them as a sort of business. This is definitely not permitted in Islam, so please stop going on about how "civilised" non-Muslims are.
    Indeed, my ancestors may well have been involved in slavery, and may well have been slaves - but that is history, but while it may have been accepted at the time, I still condemn it as a historical practice. However, we have moved on. It was outlawed two centuries ago in the British Empire, and all countries now forbid it. And yet, Islam still permits it (read your Quran and show me the passage that says it is forbidden to own slaves).
    Any system that permits slavery is, by definition, less civilised than one that has abolished it.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Back in the real world. the only people I have heard of that treat their employees as badly as slaves were treated are Moslems. The Middle Eastern domestic worker employers are notorious for it.
    #NotTrueMuslims™
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    Ive never understood that argument tbh.
    Infact thats mainly the only argument i hear "because its in the animal kingdom" is that supposed to actually mean something?
    Animals do a lot of things.
    Incest,rape,torture,murder.
    They are all found in the animal kingdom but they sure hell aint "natural"
    This argument is genuinely nonsensical.
    If something regularly occurs in nature, it is, by definition, natural.

    Homo sapiens have evolved to a level where where we have societies with complex rule based systems. We forbid some things because they may be harmful to the individual or society, despite them being natural behaviour.
    Homosexuality, between consenting adults, is not harmful to anyone. Which is why all civilised nations have removed their religiously-based prohibitions on it.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    This argument is genuinely nonsensical.
    If something regularly occurs in nature, it is, by definition, natural.

    Homo sapiens have evolved to a level where where we have societies with complex rule based systems. We forbid some things because they may be harmful to the individual or society, despite them being natural behaviour.
    Homosexuality, between consenting adults, is not harmful to anyone. Which is why all civilised nations have removed their religiously-based prohibitions on it.
    It doesn't regularly occur in nature though
    Also you say it is not harmful can you explain to be why such a civilized nation like britain does not let homosexual men donate blood?
    i mean britain is so civilized that homosexuals cant even donate blood.
    Theres a reason for that bruh.
    Whether you like it or not
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    It doesn't regularly occur in nature though
    Also you say it is not harmful can you explain to be why such a civilized nation like britain does not let homosexual men donate blood?
    i mean britain is so civilized that homosexuals cant even donate blood.
    Theres a reason for that bruh.
    Whether you like it or not
    Are you actually a bit special?
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    It doesn't regularly occur in nature though yes it does; it has been observed in many species and is common in plenty
    Also you say it is not harmful can you explain to be why such a civilized nation like britain does not let homosexual men donate blood? It does allow homosexual men to donate blood, except in the backward, superstitiously-affected area called Northern Ireland
    i mean britain is so civilized that homosexuals cant even donate blood.
    Theres a reason for that bruh.
    Whether you like it or not
    Whether you like it or not, your assertions are factually incorrect. See above.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Whether you like it or not, your assertions are factually incorrect. See above.

    http://barbwire.com/2014/12/01/myth-...uality-nature/
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    Canabalism is found in the animal kingdom so guess what everyone its normal.
    Rape is in the animal kingdom so guess what guys it must be normal.
    Oh wait penguins,antelopes and wild deer like to have gay sex with eachother.
    I guess that must be normal
    LOL
 
 
 
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