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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Scarily sound, bar being fiscally irresponsible.

    Oh, maybe I should have read a bit more than half, becomes a bit less sound later on.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    http://i.imgur.com/K97gUiP.jpg
    Hm, surprisingly I support most of this (except reducing CGT and leaving the EU).

    Edit: ****, I don't like the fact that I agree with JD.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Scarily sound, bar being fiscally irresponsible.

    Oh, maybe I should have read a bit more than half, becomes a bit less sound later on.
    Cutting CT to 15% would cost about £10bn, but that's assuming that we get no extra business because of it and no extra receipts.
    CGT receipts are around £7bn.
    Of course, these could be made over a period of time, the ambiguity in the manifesto was not done in vein. Pensions reform is where a lot of money can be saved though, which is where I'd find the funding for any proposed cuts to taxes.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Hm, surprisingly I support most of this (except reducing CGT and leaving the EU).

    Edit: ****, I don't like the fact that I agree with JD.
    To be fair, one probably wouldn't be able to tell if it were a left or right wing manifesto and I would have hoped to have picked up votes from both sides of the spectrum. Hence, why I was so disappointed about not being able to stand. I think that had the longer manifesto amendment passed, it would have given me a chance to go into more detail (possibly to my own detriment).
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Skimming through I agree with most of this, apart from the tax bit. Come home back to Labour:moon:
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Skimming through I agree with most of this, apart from the tax bit. Come home back to Labour:moon:
    Won't be doing that I'm afraid.

    On another note, given that it took me some 45 minutes to write and design my mock manifesto, it really says a lot about the lack of effort put into the Natlibs'
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Cutting CT to 15% would cost about £10bn, but that's assuming that we get no extra business because of it and no extra receipts.
    CGT receipts are around £7bn.
    Of course, these could be made over a period of time, the ambiguity in the manifesto was not done in vein. Pensions reform is where a lot of money can be saved though, which is where I'd find the funding for any proposed cuts to taxes.
    There is more to it than tax cuts, there are also spending increases.
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    Rakas21 I would also point out that there are no concrete policies in the Con manifesto either

    Some blaming and some platitudes but no actual substance at all
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There is more to it than tax cuts, there are also spending increases.
    Spending increases totalling less than £10bn in education, defense and health. Even less than that if we spread the costs over a few years.

    Tax cuts totalling £17bn, much less if we cut CT 1% per year, and cut CGT at a slower rate as well.

    Spending cuts in the DWP are where money is to be made. I think a higher minimum wage in line with CT & CGT cuts and perhaps even cuts to business rates, would mean that we can properly cut working tax credits (perhaps even work to abolish them). Pension reform, I quite like the "pensioners income" that I floated with Nigel Farage MEP back in the horror show government. There is money to be saved, lots of it without having to hit the working age poor hard.

    Small incentives can bring about a small change in tax avoidance, increasing receipts, but as I've said before, it's really not my strongest point. I don't think that just increasing transparency can go a long way, but it is a small step in the right direction.
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Rakas21 I would also point out that there are no concrete policies in the Con manifesto either

    Some blaming and some platitudes but no actual substance at all
    It is worth noting that it is rarely worth putting detail into policy proposals given that short and snappy is likely more enticing to the few that read the manifestos
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It is worth noting that it is rarely worth putting detail into policy proposals given that short and snappy is likely more enticing to the few that read the manifestos
    prsom.

    Nobody is going to spend 30 minutes looking in depth into a policy proposal, people want the gist of what you're going to do with their vote, that is all.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Spending increases totalling less than £10bn in education, defense and health. Even less than that if we spread the costs over a few years.

    Tax cuts totalling £17bn, much less if we cut CT 1% per year, and cut CGT at a slower rate as well.

    Spending cuts in the DWP are where money is to be made. I think a higher minimum wage in line with CT & CGT cuts and perhaps even cuts to business rates, would mean that we can properly cut working tax credits (perhaps even work to abolish them). Pension reform, I quite like the "pensioners income" that I floated with Nigel Farage MEP back in the horror show government. There is money to be saved, lots of it without having to hit the working age poor hard.

    Small incentives can bring about a small change in tax avoidance, increasing receipts, but as I've said before, it's really not my strongest point. I don't think that just increasing transparency can go a long way, but it is a small step in the right direction.
    It's worth noting that increased transparency is not the policy, but a consequence of the reforms, the massively decreased avoidance is also a consequence.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    prsom.

    Nobody is going to spend 30 minutes looking in depth into a policy proposal, people want the gist of what you're going to do with their vote, that is all.
    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It is worth noting that it is rarely worth putting detail into policy proposals given that short and snappy is likely more enticing to the few that read the manifestos
    By this logic the NatLib manifesto is not only satisfactory but the best of them all
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    By this logic the NatLib manifesto is not only satisfactory but the best of them all
    By putting forward a grand total of 0 policies?
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    By this logic the NatLib manifesto is not only satisfactory but the best of them all
    You haven't told them a single thing that you're going to do, in fact, you wrote more about what you don't know if you'll be doing than what you actually will be doing.
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    By this logic the NatLib manifesto is not only satisfactory but the best of them all
    lol
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    You haven't told them a single thing that you're going to do, in fact, you wrote more about what you don't know if you'll be doing than what you actually will be doing.
    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    By putting forward a grand total of 0 policies?
    Perhaps we should have followed the Tory lead:

    Next term the Nat Libs promise to:

    Eliminate the deficit in 4 weeks
    Destroy ISIS with a single, electricity powered jet
    Make everyone happy all the time

    The Tory manifesto is beautifully designed and packed with nothing more than hot air. Nothing is explained or costed and the promises are therefore totally meaningless.

    The Nat Lib manifesto is brave and honest in admitting that pre election promises are abandoned more often than they are fulfilled partly due to the capricious nature of current affairs and partly due to the duplicity of vote seeking politicians.
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Perhaps we should have followed the Tory lead:

    Next term the Nat Libs promise to:

    Eliminate the deficit in 4 weeks
    Destroy ISIS with a single, electricity powered jet
    Make everyone happy all the time

    The Tory manifesto is beautifully designed and packed with nothing more than hot air. Nothing is explained or costed and the promises are therefore totally meaningless.

    The Nat Lib manifesto is brave and honest in admitting that pre election promises are abandoned more often than they are fulfilled partly due to the capricious nature of current affairs and partly due to the duplicity of vote seeking politicians.
    Or you could offer a gist of what you would do to eliminate the deficit, destroy ISIS and make the electorate happy. The electorate want to know how you'll make them better off with you in power, and you haven't offered that.

    The Nat Lib manifesto is brave and honest I'll give you that, but you've offered nothing, why (other than for tribal reasons) would anyone vote for your party other than one of the others where the people have an idea (a vague idea, but an idea nonetheless) what the party will actually do with their vote? I'd note that "pragmatic" means different things depending on who you are, for socialists pragmatism is high taxes on the wealthy, for conservatives, it's spending cuts, for liberals (according to PetrosAC) it's agreeing with them. You've offered literally nothing, you might as well have written nothing but "vote for the National Liberal Party" and saved yourself the bother of writing all the other crap.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Or you could offer a gist of what you would do to eliminate the deficit, destroy ISIS and make the electorate happy. The electorate want to know how you'll make them better off with you in power, and you haven't offered that.

    The Nat Lib manifesto is brave and honest I'll give you that, but you've offered nothing, why (other than for tribal reasons) would anyone vote for your party other than one of the others where the people have an idea (a vague idea, but an idea nonetheless) what the party will actually do with their vote? I'd note that "pragmatic" means different things depending on who you are, for socialists pragmatism is high taxes on the wealthy, for conservatives, it's spending cuts, for liberals (according to PetrosAC) it's agreeing with them. You've offered literally nothing, you might as well have written nothing but "vote for the National Liberal Party" and saved yourself the bother of writing all the other crap.
    It does not necessarily mean spending cuts


    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Perhaps we should have followed the Tory lead:

    Next term the Nat Libs promise to:

    Eliminate the deficit in 4 weeks
    Destroy ISIS with a single, electricity powered jet
    Make everyone happy all the time

    The Tory manifesto is beautifully designed and packed with nothing more than hot air. Nothing is explained or costed and the promises are therefore totally meaningless.

    The Nat Lib manifesto is brave and honest in admitting that pre election promises are abandoned more often than they are fulfilled partly due to the capricious nature of current affairs and partly due to the duplicity of vote seeking politicians.
    Not four weeks, maybe 8 or so, depending on the efficiency of the various ministers, I do have exams to revise for and a dissertation to finish writing; however the work on the core manifesto pledges is either done or under way, with much of the time between working being spent on the complexities of the tax reforms which will be rather comprehensive and I would ideally like to have before the house in the mid term, late July at the latest, if it is within my power to do so, that is if we are leading the next government and I am given the role of chancellor, if we are in government but I retain my current brief, or have any position other than chancellor I shall be doing up utmost to aid the chancellor in achieving the reforms I put forward.

    As it stands, we have infinitely more to fail to achieve compared to your own party, but unlike your party we will be able to talk of success in passing manifesto pledges, likely even if we are not in government.
 
 
 
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