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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And we have the rebate for how much longer?

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    See above.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    See above.

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    It can be as good as abolished without actually abolishing it, care to tell me what is really different about it being trivially low and being abolished?

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    You guys can't help yourselves!

    Even on the most doom laden of the group think Treasury and IMF forecasts (which all use the same worst case assumptions and the same models so, supeise surprise come to the same conclusions), which I don't accept, we won't be poorer if we claim back our freedom as a sovereign nation.

    Just a bit less richer.

    Words matter.
    I am sure the Leavers can't tell the difference between being poor and being less rich, what a bunch intellectual giants.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    I am sure the Leavers can't tell the difference between being poor and being less rich, what a bunch intellectual giants.
    The governments prediction is that "After Brexit we may experience a 0.1% fall in GDP"...

    The idea we will fall into massive recession is laughable. The government itself shows its not true. This minute drop in GDP is calculated on the crazy idea that if we left we wouldn't have any trade deals whatsoever with anyone, not even our existing ones . So basically its utter bullcrap.

    However the remainers are hell bent on over exaggerating this recession lie and scaremongering about some economic apocalypse as well as WW3 apparently.

    The scaremongering from the stay campaign is mind blowing!
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It can be as good as abolished without actually abolishing it, care to tell me what is really different about it being trivially low and being abolished?

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    Yes you're right. £5 billion is a trivial amount. Not many NHS hospitals can be built with that...

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    The governments prediction is that "After Brexit we may experience a 0.1% fall in GDP"...

    The idea we will fall into massive recession is laughable. The government itself shows its not true. This minute drop in GDP is calculated on the crazy idea that if we left we wouldn't have any trade deals whatsoever with anyone, not even our existing ones . So basically its utter bullcrap.

    However the remainers are hell bent on over exaggerating this recession lie and scaremongering about some economic apocalypse as well as WW3 apparently.

    The scaremongering from the stay campaign is mind blowing!
    Leavers have made no predictions or models of the economy themselves after Brexit, I think they are on a wing and a prayer or muddle through like during WWII and hope America steps in to save the day.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Yes you're right. £5 billion is a trivial amount. Not many NHS hospitals can be built with that...

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Yes you're right. £5 billion is a trivial amount. Not many NHS hospitals can be built with that...

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    I think you got lost. You see, we do not have a veto on reduction, only abolition, which means that 5bn could go down to 5 quid in theory

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    (Original post by Maker)
    Leavers have made no predictions or models of the economy themselves after Brexit, I think they are on a wing and a prayer or muddle through like during WWII and hope America steps in to save the day.
    Generally to make a forecast you need a basis to work off, given said basis is not known a forecast cannot be made. Care to forecast the weather in 6 months 12 miles south of Daytona for me?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I think you got lost. You see, we do not have a veto on reduction, only abolition, which means that 5bn could go down to 5 quid in theory
    PANIC! FEAR! PANIC! FEAR! TURKEY! PANIC! FEAR!

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36085281
    Reality Check verdict: He's right that the rebate is not a permanent feature of EU membership, but the UK has a veto over the process that would scrap or reduce it.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    PANIC! FEAR! PANIC! FEAR! TURKEY! PANIC! FEAR!

    Oh...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36085281
    Reality Check verdict: He's right that the rebate is not a permanent feature of EU membership, but the UK has a veto over the process that would scrap or reduce it.
    And what happens when these things do not carry? Oh yes, they stop until there is an agreement, not to mention that there is that little thing they're involved in called politics
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Generally to make a forecast you need a basis to work off, given said basis is not known a forecast cannot be made. Care to forecast the weather in 6 months 12 miles south of Daytona for me?

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    So Brexiters are asking the British people to jump into an economic black hole?
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    (Original post by Maker)
    So Brexiters are asking the British people to jump into an economic black hole?
    And remaining isn't. Since you seem insistent leave tell you what Britain will look like if we leave I would like you to do the same for remain. As of yet nobody advocating remain has been able to even tell me what the eu are goingto try in the next year, let alone decade.

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    So Brexiters are asking the British people to jump into an economic black hole?
    see, and you people deny that your side campaign on pure fear? what is this black hole you're talking about? were we in a black hole before we joined the EU? nope, and if we had any economic problems at that point it was because of our crappy labour government(s) and the fact that there were big tariffs in western europe at the time that the WTO wouldn't allow in 2016
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    No I think Britain will leave, there will be more older people voting out because they have lived for too long and they have seen all the bs.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And remaining isn't. Since you seem insistent leave tell you what Britain will look like if we leave I would like you to do the same for remain. As of yet nobody advocating remain has been able to even tell me what the eu are goingto try in the next year, let alone decade.

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    Leaving is a bigger risk since no one knows what the response will be from the big economies like the US or China.
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    see, and you people deny that your side campaign on pure fear? what is this black hole you're talking about? were we in a black hole before we joined the EU? nope, and if we had any economic problems at that point it was because of our crappy labour government(s) and the fact that there were big tariffs in western europe at the time that the WTO wouldn't allow in 2016
    Fear is a good response to uncertainty, its benefited humans for millions of years. Thats the reason we don't jump off cliffs in the dark and hoping the water is deep enough and not crash onto rocks. Leavers have no idea how deep the water is or where the rocks are.

    WTO is a human construct, I pretty sure the EU has the clout to change the rules if they were motivated enough and there is not a lot Britain outside the EU can do. Might is right.
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    I am sure the Leavers can't tell the difference between being poor and being less rich, what a bunch intellectual giants.
    The figures normally quoted are of GDP. We are one of the richest countries on earth judged by that measure.

    If we weren't so rich compared to most everyone else, why do the world and his wife want to migrate here? Are they coming for the weather?
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    (Original post by generallee)
    The figures normally quoted are of GDP. We are one of the richest countries on earth judged by that measure.

    If we weren't so rich compared to most everyone else, why do the world and his wife want to migrate here? Are they coming for the weather?
    You say that as if migration is a bad thing...

    And for net migration we are ranked 38th in the world.

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