Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Robby2312)
    I dont see why a woman from a western culture would want to go to the middle east.Why would you go to a place where the law actively discriminates against you? Just because they have a different culture with different laws doesnt mean those laws should be respected.I would advise respecting those laws anyway simply because you'll end up in prison if you dont not because I actually agree with them.I support freedom of choice for women to wear what they want but Id argue that few women actually want to be covered from head to toe.If they do cover up its because of family pressure,or because religion has deluded them into believing they have to.Its not because they really want to.And anyway its actually pretty offensive to the french to wear these in light of recent terror attacks.
    Money is one reason: salaries are high and tax-free, especially if you have a degree from a Western university.

    So people who go to live in non-Western countries should not abide by the country's laws because they are "inferior"? That's a very hypocritical and cultural supremacist way of thinking. It is absolutely fine to criticise the laws and even work to change them but expecting certain behaviour from people who come here but not the same from British people who go over there is the height of hypocrisy.

    I am against completely against forcing women to cover up as well (though I have stated many times how banning them from going swimming won't solve the problem), but there are religious women who think that it makes them closer to their god and that they will be rewarded for the efforts so why force them to stop covering?

    Is the ban to protect women from being forced to cover or is it because they are being associated with terrorists? Some people here keep contradicting themselves as to what the reason is, so which is it?
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    once more for the cheap seats

    Your race is irrelevant to me it's your status as an immigrant only that is relevant here.
    It is relevant, and I have pointed out many times how it is relevant but you are too cowardly to admit it.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    Should I, as a German-born British Asian, not have the same rights as you? How very enlightened of you.
    IN the UK no you should not just like I should not have the same rights as a German in Germany

    But once again it seems it's OK for immigrants to want things in the countries they shop around in to find something better than 'back home' at the expense of those who don't
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    It is relevant, and I have pointed out many times how it is relevant but you are too cowardly to admit it.
    no. you wanting it to be 'relevant' (as it is your last card you can play to try an show how terrible we are) is not the same as it being relevant.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    So people who go to live in non-Western countries should not abide by the country's laws because they are "inferior"? That's a very hypocritical and cultural supremacist way of thinking.
    Yet you are arguing for exactly this

    'People moving (or in this case even holidaying) to France should should not abide by the country's laws because they are "inferior"?'
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    no. you wanting it to be 'relevant' (as it is your last card you can play to try an show how terrible we are) is not the same as it being relevant.
    You and I both know that you would not be asking a White person to "prove" that he/she isn't an immigrant. You thought that you could use that as some sort of weapon to silence me because of my skintone, and that is obvious. And who is "we"? I have pointed out how terrible, racist and bigoted you are, I don't remember referring to multiple people.
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Yet you are arguing for exactly this

    'People moving (or in this case even holidaying) to France should should not abide by the country's laws because they are "inferior"?'
    Show me where I said that people should not obey the law.

    Criticising a law /= encouraging people to disobey it. Again, you fail at simple linguistics.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    /Thread
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Josb)
    Tyranny of the majority is inevitable in any organised society. In this case the "minority" is limited to a few thousands individuals, and the "tyrannical" laws only prevent them from wearing some sets of clothes that they didn't wear 10 years ago.


    As I pointed above, these laws that weren't made through a democratic process and therefore cannot be compared to ours.
    Not really. We have measures in place to prevent the tyranny of the majority in a representative democracy. You seem to think absolute democracy, even if it leads to the erosion of minority rights, is a good thing.

    A few thousands too many. And so? If I decide to wear a turban today, which I didn't wear 10 years ago, should I be prevented from doing so?

    Sure they can be compared; if we based our laws on the whims of the majority, we'd have no taxation.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    You and I both know that you would not be asking a White person to "prove" that he/she isn't an immigrant.
    how would I know they are white?
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    how would I know they are white?
    If their profile picture showed they were, as mine shows that I am Black, obviously.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Show me where I said that people should not obey the law.

    Criticising a law /= encouraging people to disobey it. Again, you fail at simple linguistics.
    No i understand well enough

    Do you agree if this is the law it should be complied with yes or no

    Do you also agree it is up to the french to decide what laws they want and not immigrants to the country. and while we may criticise this it is up to them and not you or I what laws they want in their country
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    If their profile picture showed they were, as mine shows that I am Black, obviously.
    No profile picture is not good enough as if that was the case I'm a African.

    How would I know a person is white
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    IN the UK no you should not just like I should not have the same rights as a German in Germany
    So the fact that I was born in Germany, even though I'm a British citizen, means you should be able to discriminate against me? I shouldn't be able to criticise the British government? Should I be arrested? Thanks for exposing your intolerance.

    But once again it seems it's OK for immigrants to want things in the countries they shop around in to find something better than 'back home' at the expense of those who don't
    What a red-herring. You're bitter about the economic benefits of immigration? Grow up.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    So the fact that I was born in Germany, even though I'm a British citizen, means you should be able to discriminate against me? I shouldn't be able to criticise the British government? Should I be arrested? Thanks for exposing your intolerance.



    What a red-herring. You're bitter about the economic benefits of immigration? Grow up.
    ah you've moved the goal post you said you were a born in Germany hence a German not a citizen of this country

    But it's not discrimination to prevent immigrants having a say in some cases

    and it seems you are incapable of posting without childish name calling so 'll not bother posting about the pro and cons of immigration and those who do benefit us and those who don't as it would be a waste of my time
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    No i understand well enough

    Do you agree if this is the law it should be complied with yes or no

    Do you also agree it is up to the french to decide what laws they want and not immigrants to the country. and while we may criticise this it is up to them and not you or I what laws they want in their country
    Obviously not every woman who wears a burkini is going to be an immigrant.

    Laws should be abided by while they are still force, they may also be criticised and that's just fine. If someone challenges them in court or works in other ways to change them then that is just fine too, as there is no law against them doing so in a democratic society.
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    No profile picture is not good enough as if that was the case I'm a African.

    How would I know a person is white
    Anyone can tell that your profile picture is not yours. Even if they did not know who the person in your dp was, Googling it to find out would be easy.

    However, when somebody uses a dp of themselves it's normally easy to tell.

    Are you going to now pretend that you did not know I was Black?
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Obviously not every woman who wears a burkini is going to be an immigrant.

    Laws should be abided by while they are still force, they may also be criticised and that's just fine. If someone challenges them in court or works in other ways to change them then that is just fine too, as there is no law against them doing so in a democratic society.
    Not a claim I have made but Islam is a import into France and a recent one at that (hence the changing of the laws and requests such as this to counter its influence in the public sphere)

    Again never said there was anything wrong (if you actually paid attention you would I know I am actually against such a ban) in challenging the law.

    But at least we can agree the law should be respected and this is for the french people to decide and no one else (unless you still think the EU should be making our laws that is)
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Ribbit1234)
    There's no point in arguing with him. He's one of them who has a weird obsession/hate against Islam and so would naturally be against anything that Islam encourages. If it was any other group, he, like the racist French president wouldn't care about something so minor like what people wear. But since the Burkini is associated with Muslims, it is something that should be strictly forbidden and laws and legislations should be held in place because of it. Don't pay any attention, the Muslims in France don't
    In fairness, Sarkozi might have been racist but Hollande really isn't
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Anyone can tell that your profile picture is not yours. Even if they did not know who the person in your dp was, Googling it to find out would be easy.

    However, when somebody uses a dp of themselves it's normally easy to tell.

    Are you going to now pretend that you did not know I was Black?
    Not what I asked I asked how would I know they are white

    This is your claim so at least make some effort to defend it (or is it just more lies to help you score a few cheap point against me?)
 
 
 
Reply
Submit reply
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Updated: August 18, 2016
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • Poll
    Brussels sprouts
    Useful resources
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

    Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

    Quick reply
    Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.