(Original post by Oswy)
Ha ha. What a little pickle libertarians can get themselves into! On the one hand you don't want the US to be considered capitalist because substantive government and the regulation and intervention of markets fails to meet with your ideological position, on the other hand you aren't sure whether you've made a mistake to characterise the US as socialist, because this seems like ammunition to those on the left to show how the most economically powerful country on the planet has a socialist dimension and socialist thinking at the centre of government operations. You juts can't win, lol
I have stated my position quite plainly in three short sentences. If you believe that there is a contradiction or bad reasoning, then please elaborate.
Until then, you will excuse me if I consider the 'pickle' to be with your poor english comprehension and reasoning -
1. I have not treated capitalism as a 'binary state', as DrunkHamster puts it, at any point. The US is not absolutely capitalist, but still more
capitalist than most other real countries, and all other major powers. This has been the conclusion of serious academic research
2. As such, it is not at all contradictory to say that the United States has socialistic elements without 'admitting' that these elements in particular have been beneficial to it, or that the US is an absolute "socialist country".
3. Most defences of libertarianism are not based on consequentialist morals anyway, so even if the United States was some kind of socialist utopia it would not logically be 'ammunition' against it, but 'my ideology' is nothing to do with the point of fact.
4. Remember when you are trumpetting the glorious triumph of socialism in the heart of the capitalist beast that what you are heralding isn't supposed to have helped people, but to have caused a devastating banking crisis. Perhaps it would be better for you not to draw too much attention to it?