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    Why do you trust the UN here and not when they accuse Israel of apartheid, an illegal blockade, using human shields and purposely targeting civilians?

    Double standards ftw
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    the israeli supporters are always the most stupid

    there is no way anyone can justify the 1000+ lives they ended for the 30 or so they lost, no matter what hamas has done. if you dont agree, please tell me why, amuse me.

    the idf are murderers nothing more, and you wonder why hamas does not want to stop?
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Why do you trust the UN here and not when they accuse Israel of apartheid, an illegal blockade, using human shields and purposely targeting civilians?

    Double standards ftw
    So not only the Pro Israeli side engages in whataboutery as some like to claim...

    I have no doubt that both sides have committed atrocities now and in the past. Some of the UN reports and condemnations, I agree with, others not necessarily to the full extent they'd like to present. I still believe that they're much too pro Hamas for a supposedly tree huggin' peace lovin' organization.

    In the current conflict, there have been no reports by the UN for the state of Israel using human shields and purposely targeting civilians to the best of my knowledge. Feel free to correct me by using sources other than Al Aqsa TV. I am well aware that in the past this has occurred, but also that the individuals, not the State of Israel, but the individuals who broke the law in such a manner were investigated and prosecuted by Israel when found guilty.

    Anyway, the point was that I provided evidence that the UN and US have both condemned the Palestinians for breaking the ceasefire as you requested, and since you can't possibly come up with a response, you resorted to pointing fingers and making claims.
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    White House condemns "barbaric" capture of soldier during ceasefire.

    Correction: It's a conditional condemnation from the WH.


    If what Qassam are saying is true (that they captured the soldier prior to the ceasefire), then someone is going to end up with a lot of egg on their face and they sure as hell wouldn't like it...
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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    the israeli supporters are always the most stupid

    there is no way anyone can justify the 1000+ lives they ended for the 30 or so they lost, no matter what hamas has done. if you dont agree, please tell me why, amuse me.

    the idf are murderers nothing more, and you wonder why hamas does not want to stop?
    Sorry for not being offended about being called stupid by someone who writes as incoherently as you.

    Would it be justifiable in your eyes if 1000 Israelis died? Would it then be okay to murder 1000 Palestinians?

    Also, could you tell me exactly what Hamas hopes to achieve by firing their rockets into Israel? All of you pro Hamas terrorists keep on insisting that they don't do any damage. In that case, what is the point of firing rockets?
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    Captured soldier, Hadar Goldin, rumoured (15:55) to be British-born and second or third cousin to defence minister, Moshe Ya'alon...
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    Thing I don't quite get about today is why Israel instantly responded to this tunnel incursion by resuming shelling/using live rounds (reports coming in civilians deaths live).

    I get they want to defend themselves, and both sides should have stuck to this 72hr ceasefire so the Palestinians could get humanitarian aid, but in an interview just now an Israeli defence minister was saying just how desperately the Palestinians need food aid, but now because Hamas went through a tunnel and killed a couple of their soldiers they cannot get it and wont in the foreseeable future as they're going to ramp things up even compared with what we've seen up to now.

    Now since he knows the shelling is a complete boon for Hamas, their support is rising by the day when ironically they were doing pretty badly before all this broke out, surely they also know blocking food aid will just make more civilians hate them and turn to Hamas as their only, if unrealistic, option?

    I mean they have Iron Dome, 3 days worth of rockets without them replying with shelling isn't something difficult for them to do. Surely that would have put them in a better position to talk with the international community and added weight to them being the "better side" in this, since the longer shelling goes on the less support they're going to get. I mean they say they don't want to harm civilians in this and only target Hamas, but surely this is collective punishment?

    Just my view anyhow.
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    This thread has been overtaken by Zionists who love killing defenceless children. You are the problem. Jews,Christians Muslims atheists know this.

    The children who live in Gaza will remember this for the rest of their lives and will grow up seeking revenge. Israel created Hamas and their support will continue to rise in Gaza.

    Absolutely disgusting.

    #saveGaza
    #freePalestine
    #boycottIsrael
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    Finish reporter confirms that rockets were fired by palestinian terrorists from Shifa hospital.

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    (Original post by Sic semper erat)
    Hamas denies they captured anyone

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717375
    Communication can be a little sketchy between the factions.

    I just think we have to wait and see...
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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    the israeli supporters are always the most stupid

    there is no way anyone can justify the 1000+ lives they ended for the 30 or so they lost, no matter what hamas has done. if you dont agree, please tell me why, amuse me.

    the idf are murderers nothing more, and you wonder why hamas does not want to stop?
    That point is easily justified, many more Israelis would be dead if they hadnt invested billions into defence systems. Irondome, protected borders, rocket sirens etc.

    In no way can people use casualty numbers, Israel are efficient at defending themselves and the lives of their civilians, Hamas are useless and embrace their own peoples deaths as martyrs.

    What alot of stupid people believe is that if a war is unfair in terms of casualties, then its always the side that has those casualties whom everyone begins to support. Complete nonsense.
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    (Original post by joe01223)
    This thread has been overtaken by Zionists who love killing defenceless children. You are the problem. Jews,Christians Muslims atheists know this.

    The children who live in Gaza will remember this for the rest of their lives and will grow up seeking revenge. Israel created Hamas and their support will continue to rise in Gaza.

    Absolutely disgusting.

    #saveGaza
    #freePalestine
    #boycottIsrael
    It's the opposite mate, this thread has been taken over by crazed muslim fanatics who want this conflict to help push the destruction and obliteration of Israel as a state.

    Theyre crazy because that will never happen :ahee:

    If the Children of Gaza grow up with a hatred for Israel which they want to act on, this only shortens their life expectancy.
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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    the israeli supporters are always the most stupid
    Calling people stupid does not require intelligence, integrity, maturity or kindness.

    As an Israeli and Palestinian supporter, I believe Hamas should stop trying to kill (and mostly failing, thanks to the Iron Dome) Israelis, and Israeli soldiers should stop killing Hamas and the innocent people in Gaza that Hamas cowardly try to use as human shields.


    there is no way anyone can justify the 1000+ lives they ended for the 30 or so they lost, no matter what hamas has done.
    if you dont agree, please tell me why, amuse me.
    If someone tries to kill your family, you would not respond with violence? If you wouldn't, I personally think that's amazing and is obeying Jesus Christ's commandment to love your enemies (Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-37). However, most people do not tend to obey Jesus' command to love their enemies. If they are attacked, most people will attack back. That is just human nature.

    I personally do not agree with Israel attacking Gaza. While my Jewish friends have explained that the Iron Dome could be overwhelmed if too many rockets were fired at once and therefore Israel needs to destroy as many rockets as possible, I think they should follow Jesus' command to love their enemies. However, not even "Christian" nations have obeyed that command of Jesus, so...


    the idf are murderers nothing more, and you wonder why hamas does not want to stop?
    Hamas are murderers as well, as sending rockets indiscriminately into another country is done with murderous intent, or do you think if some group in your neighboring country sent rockets your way, that murder was not on their minds for you?

    Both Hamas and Israel are doing wrong. Hamas is also cowardly hiding behind children and women, putting their rockets where families live. I don't know about where you live, but in the USA, if you put rockets in your neighborhood, the FBI will not let you get away with that.

    I understand there are civil rights issues in the area. However, Hamas should learn from Martin Luther King Jr. If MLK Jr. had encouraged his followers to shoot rockets into "white" American neighborhoods, you can bet civil rights would have been set way back, because violence is not how one shames another group into giving civil rights. Violence simply begets violence. MLK Jr. and his friends succeeded in shaming many white people into repenting of treating people of other skin colors badly by love and nonviolent protests. This is what Hamas needs to do.
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    (Original post by Agapelove)
    Hamas are murderers as well, as sending rockets indiscriminately into another country is done with murderous intent, or do you think if some group in your neighboring country sent rockets your way, that murder was not on their minds for you?
    I think HAMAS and other Palestinian factions realise that their rockets are mainly useless, hence why they are seen "celebrating" when one actually hits.

    In fact, their biggest effect is to disrupt the Israeli person's everyday life in the hope that they move away from land which they consider to be held illegally.


    The rockets are actually a mere annoyance compared to something like airstrikes or heavy duty bombs or artillery shells which certainly have a murderous intent given the fact that it is known that Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth and the fact that it does not have access to any kind of warning system, let alone bomb shelters...
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    (Original post by Sic semper erat)
    Cause it says so on your profile?
    LOL
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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    Finish reporter confirms that rockets were fired by palestinian terrorists from Shifa hospital.

    It's amazingly shocking how cultures are different.

    The US government would in no way allow any group in the USA to shoot rockets into Mexico or Canada. Shooting rockets from a hospital, or school, or religious building, is also out of the question.

    Hamas cowardly hiding in a hospital is just... sad.

    Hamas would help their people much more if they learned from great civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr.
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    There is only only one long term solution that will bring peace to the region and stop the bloodshed. That is Israel annexing Palestine, a single state solution in which both Israelis and Palestinians are given equal rights. Palestine would benefit massively from being part of Israel, there would be massive economic growth in the region and peoples lives would become much better.

    Whilst I agree that in principle this is immoral as Israel has no right to annex Palestine, when judged by the outcomes, such a solution is the most humane and practical for delivering peace and prosperity to the region.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    I think HAMAS and other Palestinian factions realise that their rockets are mainly useless,
    Why would they continue to shoot what they think is useless? That makes no logical sense.

    hence why they are seen "celebrating" when one actually hits.
    They would be protecting their people much better if they would stop shooting rockets and instead peacefully protest injustice.

    In fact, their biggest effect is to disrupt the Israeli person's everyday life in the hope that they move away from land which they consider to be held illegally.
    They would be wise to study American history. European immigrants didn't move out of the land in which Native Americans originally lived. Rather, the conflict between Native Americans and European immigrants/their descendants sadly and tragically resulted in severe loss of numbers of Native Americans. While most Native Americans sadly died of disease inadvertently brought by the Europeans, many died at the hands of the colonists, sadly.

    The rockets are actually a mere annoyance compared to something like airstrikes or heavy duty bombs or artillery shells which certainly have a murderous intent given the fact that it is known that Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth and the fact that it does not have access to any kind of warning system, let alone bomb shelters..
    .

    Rockets kill, so they are more than a 'mere annoyance'.

    Instead of shooting rockets, Hamas would be wise to develop a warning system and bomb shelters for their people. Their lack of protecting their people shows how their focus instead is on obsessively hating the Israelis, so much so that they hide behind children and women. Instead of ensuring protection for their children and the women, like the Israelis do, they put them in danger. In my culture, that's considered cowardice.

    In my culture, strong men make sure their children and the women and elderly are in safe shelters and then they go fight the enemy. While I am a pacifist, I have to admit I greatly admire the integrity of men who make sure their families are in safe shelters and take the fighting elsewhere (though I think there should be no fighting with weapons, but many men don't listen to me so...)
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    (Original post by Sic semper erat)
    Cause it says so on your profile?
    So you actually think that all the people with the Palestine flag on their profiles are ethnically Palestinian? That's pretty dense.

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    (Original post by Agapelove)
    Why would they continue to shoot what they think is useless? That makes no logical sense.
    Useless as "murderous weapons"...

    They would be protecting their people much better if they would stop shooting rockets and instead peacefully protest injustice.
    A million marched against Iraq and nothing happened.
    Thousands marched against student cuts and nothing happened.

    "Protest" may have worked when the politicians cared about the people (up until the 1980's) but after that, it has hardly seemed to have worked.

    I tell you what, give me a couple of instances where, in the UK, the government has changed it's policy after a large scale march or protest.

    "Protesting" is a method to pacify people so they feel they are being heard instead of picking up arms...

    They would be wise to study American history. European immigrants didn't move out of the land in which Native Americans originally lived. Rather, the conflict between Native Americans and European immigrants/their descendants sadly and tragically resulted in severe loss of numbers of Native Americans. While most Native Americans sadly died of disease inadvertently brought by the Europeans, many died at the hands of the colonists, sadly.
    That is because they effectively "conquered" America as opposed to mass illegal immigration and terrorism and then demanding their own state, abusing the hospitality of those who had originally welcomed them.

    Rockets kill, so they are more than a 'mere annoyance'.
    2590 odd rockets have been fired. 2 dead civilians.

    That's a kill ratio of 0.07722%

    Instead of shooting rockets, Hamas would be wise to develop a warning system and bomb shelters for their people. Their lack of protecting their people shows how their focus instead is on obsessively hating the Israelis, so much so that they hide behind children and women. Instead of ensuring protection for their children and the women, like the Israelis do, they put them in danger. In my culture, that's considered cowardice.
    Warning systems are redundant against Israeli airpower. Take out the warning systems and you are left with redundant bomb shelters.

    In my culture, strong men make sure their children and the women and elderly are in safe shelters and then they go fight the enemy. While I am a pacifist, I have to admit I greatly admire the integrity of men who make sure their families are in safe shelters and take the fighting elsewhere (though I think there should be no fighting with weapons, but many men don't listen to me so...)
    Where would you like the Gazans to "take the fight"?
 
 
 
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