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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    Ja ja ja

    Spanish flows nicest and is the one for me atm (Italian is enticing too)

    But I'll always have a space for French, it was my first :mmm:

    :lol: does anyone get the subtle analogy?
    hahah French was my first too I really want to learn Chinese, mix things up a bit :')

    i've been bilingual my entire life so i don't count german as being a language i learnt
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    (Original post by Meli.Hardege)
    hah im german and i think german is **** id say learn french or spanish instead :') but german people are obviously amazing except the ones from down south
    Going to Bavaria was the problem then?

    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    meh, I'd choose Spanish

    That's coming from someone who does French A2 and no qualifications in Spanish!

    Germans are lame
    Nothing wrong with the Germans, I'm hardly the most patient person myself, but not great if practising the language is your goal.

    How come Spanish over French?
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    :lol: does anyone get the subtle analogy?
    No...do explain.
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    (Original post by O133)
    Going to Bavaria was the problem then?



    Nothing wrong with the Germans, I'm hardly the most patient person myself, but not great if practising the language is your goal.
    yes yes it was i don't like Bavaria either :') i'm from right right up north in Germany so
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    (Original post by Meli.Hardege)
    hahah French was my first too I really want to learn Chinese, mix things up a bit :')

    i've been bilingual my entire life so i don't count german as being a language i learnt
    :ahee:

    Oh I'm trying Mandarin... Speaking is hard

    Ah you're lucky having a useful second language!

    (Original post by O133)
    Going to Bavaria was the problem then?



    Nothing wrong with the Germans, I'm hardly the most patient person myself, but not great if practising the language is your goal.

    How come Spanish over French?
    Yeah but people here curse when people can't speak English, I just think they should try a little.

    Hmmmm... I just find Spanish is nicer sounding, also it's growing and is quite big. And their films aren't all about sex I'm sure

    (Original post by O133)
    No...do explain.
    ... Like a romantic/sex life
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    Yeah but people here curse when people can't speak English, I just think they should try a little.

    Hmmmm... I just find Spanish is nicer sounding, also it's growing and is quite big. And their films aren't all about sex I'm sure



    ... Like a romantic/sex life
    Ah right! Demonstrating my lack of experience there then! French was my first (even before Welsh came along and I'm fluent in that now) and I grew up less than an hour from the Channel (hell, my mum and her half of the family are all from Dover) so I have a bit of an attachment to it. That, combined with never having been to the Hispanosphere (and not really feeling much of a desire to), makes French v Spanish a fairly easy decision.
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    Ah right! Demonstrating my lack of experience there then! French was my first (even before Welsh came along and I'm fluent in that now) and I grew up less than an hour from the Channel (hell, my mum and her half of the family are all from Dover) so I have a bit of an attachment to it. That, combined with never having been to the Hispanosphere (and not really feeling much of a desire to), makes French v Spanish a fairly easy decision.
    I have none dw just thought it related perfectly. In the films they always savour their first... End up cheating maybe on their current one

    Ah I see! Damn, you need to get me speaking in Welsh... I've never been taught it well, as I want a grammar base. But now I just need to learn loads of words... And mutations :gah:
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    I have none dw just thought it related perfectly. In the films they always savour their first... End up cheating maybe on their current one

    Ah I see! Damn, you need to get me speaking in Welsh... I've never been taught it well, as I want a grammar base. But now I just need to learn loads of words... And mutations :gah:
    Welsh grammar, I suppose I could help you with that, seeing as grammar is my favourite part of language learning. Good luck trying to make sense of the many different ways the Welsh have of saying "I am" for example (at GCSE my teacher derived a load from "yr ydwyf i yn").

    Mutations aren't too hard, half of it is getting a feeling for what sounds best.

    Apparently we're not allowed to post in Welsh without a translation though.
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    (Original post by O133)
    Welsh grammar, I suppose I could help you with that, seeing as grammar is my favourite part of language learning. Good luck trying to make sense of the many different ways the Welsh have of saying "I am" for example (at GCSE my teacher derived a load from "yr ydwyf i yn").

    Mutations aren't too hard, half of it is getting a feeling for what sounds best.

    Apparently we're not allowed to post in Welsh without a translation though.
    I am? Ive always thought it was

    Dwi'n
    Rydw i'n

    Well for grammar I guess we'd need English anyway
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    In response to y'all because I'm too lazy to quote on my iPad... I'm 1/6 offended :')
    I prefer Spanish to French, purely because I'm bitter that I passed the exam at GCSE but failed the coursework because my teacher went AWOL.
    But Spanish is such a lovely language.


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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    :ahee:

    Oh I'm trying Mandarin... Speaking is hard

    Ah you're lucky having a useful second language!
    I can imagine its such a fascinating language though i'm hoping to pick it up at uni its something i know most of the unis i plan on applying for do its great speaking both languages i take French A-level as well ...i'm a bit of a language geek
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    I am? Ive always thought it was

    Dwi'n
    Rydw i'n

    Well for grammar I guess we'd need English anyway
    So starting with the long form yr ydwyf i yn:

    yr ydwyf i yn -> rydwyf i yn -> rydw i yn -> dw i yn
    or
    yr ydwyf i yn -> yr wyf i yn -> rwyf i yn -> rwy'n

    I'm sure there were more that I've forgotten.

    I'm still trying to get my head around the tenses, comparing them to Spanish/French, so far I have:
    rydw i yn siarad - I speak/am speaking - present (simple or continuous)
    siaradaf i - I speak - present (simple only) - ffurf cryno that I don't really understand and would struggle to form most of the time
    rydw i wedi siarad - I have spoken - perfect
    roeddwn i yn siarad - I was speaking - imperfect
    siaradais i - I spoke - preterite
    roeddwn i wedi siarad - I had spoken - pluperfect
    byddwn i yn siarad - I will speak - future
    byddwn i wedi siarad - I will have spoken - future perfect
    b(u)aswn i yn siarad - I would speak - conditional
    b(u)aswn i wedi siarad - I would have spoken - conditional perfect
    siaradir - is spoken (sort of) - present impersonal (weird way to avoid the passive that I don't really claim to understand)
    siaradwyd - was spoken - past impersonal

    Also don't forget that Welsh is kind of two languaages, North and South Walian, so my Welsh and your Welsh are probably a bit different (mae o vs mae e etc.)
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    So starting with the long form yr ydwyf i yn:

    yr ydwyf i yn -> rydwyf i yn -> rydw i yn -> dw i yn
    or
    yr ydwyf i yn -> yr wyf i yn -> rwyf i yn -> rwy'n

    I'm sure there were more that I've forgotten.

    I'm still trying to get my head around the tenses, comparing them to Spanish/French, so far I have:
    rydw i yn siarad - I speak/am speaking - present (simple or continuous)
    siaradaf i - I speak - present (simple only) - ffurf cryno that I don't really understand and would struggle to form most of the time
    rydw i wedi siarad - I have spoken - perfect
    roeddwn i yn siarad - I was speaking - imperfect
    siaradais i - I spoke - preterite
    roeddwn i wedi siarad - I had spoken - pluperfect
    byddwn i yn siarad - I will speak - future
    byddwn i wedi siarad - I will have spoken - future perfect
    b(u)aswn i yn siarad - I would speak - conditional
    b(u)aswn i wedi siarad - I would have spoken - conditional perfect
    siaradir - is spoken (sort of) - present impersonal (weird way to avoid the passive that I don't really claim to understand)
    siaradwyd - was spoken - past impersonal

    Also don't forget that Welsh is kind of two languaages, North and South Walian, so my Welsh and your Welsh are probably a bit different (mae o vs mae e etc.)
    My old welsh teacher was from North Wales! But the other teacher was from South Wales, we ended up getting both versions a lot of the time, which was confusing.


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    (Original post by blamethenargles)
    My old welsh teacher was from North Wales! But the other teacher was from South Wales, we ended up getting both versions a lot of the time, which was confusing.
    Yes, incredible that such a small place ended up with two dialects so different! (Although actually if you drove from my house to South Wales you'd soon see why - don't get my started on trying to get a train!) Add to that the fact that Wales wasn't united very often until we English decided we fancied it.
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    Yes, incredible that such a small place ended up with two dialects so different! (Although actually if you drove from my house to South Wales you'd soon see why - don't get my started on trying to get a train!) Add to that the fact that Wales wasn't united very often until we English decided we fancied it.
    I love trains! Us Welsh are very protective of our land, we're just too puny to do anything about it.


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    I love trains! Us Welsh are very protective of our land, we're just too puny to do anything about it.
    You'd better love sitting on the train if you want to travel on an Arriva Trains Wales train. I'll never forget my first trip to Aberystwyth years ago, which should have been just over an hour on the train and ended up taking around three.

    And to think Arriva Trains Wales are owned by Deutsche Bahn, I expect better!
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    (Original post by Meli.Hardege)
    I can imagine its such a fascinating language though i'm hoping to pick it up at uni its something i know most of the unis i plan on applying for do its great speaking both languages i take French A-level as well ...i'm a bit of a language geek
    I love languages too!
    (Original post by O133)
    So starting with the long form yr ydwyf i yn:

    yr ydwyf i yn -> rydwyf i yn -> rydw i yn -> dw i yn
    or
    yr ydwyf i yn -> yr wyf i yn -> rwyf i yn -> rwy'n

    I'm sure there were more that I've forgotten.

    I'm still trying to get my head around the tenses, comparing them to Spanish/French, so far I have:
    rydw i yn siarad - I speak/am speaking - present (simple or continuous)
    siaradaf i - I speak - present (simple only) - ffurf cryno that I don't really understand and would struggle to form most of the time
    rydw i wedi siarad - I have spoken - perfect
    roeddwn i yn siarad - I was speaking - imperfect
    siaradais i - I spoke - preterite
    roeddwn i wedi siarad - I had spoken - pluperfect
    byddwn i yn siarad - I will speak - future
    byddwn i wedi siarad - I will have spoken - future perfect
    b(u)aswn i yn siarad - I would speak - conditional
    b(u)aswn i wedi siarad - I would have spoken - conditional perfect
    siaradir - is spoken (sort of) - present impersonal (weird way to avoid the passive that I don't really claim to understand)
    siaradwyd - was spoken - past impersonal

    Also don't forget that Welsh is kind of two languaages, North and South Walian, so my Welsh and your Welsh are probably a bit different (mae o vs mae e etc.)
    Yeah I've learnt some a bit different with the i+ yn

    Rydw i'n siarad
    Siaradais i
    Roeddwn i siarad
    Baswn i siarad

    Etc, never been told to use the 'yn'
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    You'd better love sitting on the train if you want to travel on an Arriva Trains Wales train. I'll never forget my first trip to Aberystwyth years ago, which should have been just over an hour on the train and ended up taking around three.

    And to think Arriva Trains Wales are owned by Deutsche Bahn, I expect better!
    We're lucky if we get a seat.
    Saturday 10am: lots of shoppers with you children
    TWO CARRIAGES.
    Tuesday, 1pm: everyone's in work
    SIX CARRIAGES
    *sigh*


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    Yeah I've learnt some a bit different with the i+ yn

    Rydw i'n siarad
    Siaradais i
    Roeddwn i siarad
    Baswn i siarad

    Etc, never been told to use the 'yn'
    It was probably roeddwn i'n and baswn i'n (or you had a very bad teacher).

    (Original post by blamethenargles)
    We're lucky if we get a seat.
    Saturday 10am: lots of shoppers with you children
    TWO CARRIAGES.
    Tuesday, 1pm: everyone's in work
    SIX CARRIAGES
    *sigh*
    Six whole carriages? We have two sometimes - and then the train splits at Machynlleth and one lone carriage is sent to Aber and the other to Pwllheli.
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    (Original post by O133)
    It was probably roeddwn i'n and baswn i'n (or you had a very bad teacher).



    Six whole carriages? We have two sometimes - and then the train splits at Machynlleth and one lone carriage is sent to Aber and the other to Pwllheli.
    The latter...

    Unless negative then

    Faswn i ddim yn hoffi : I wouldn't like
 
 
 
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