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    (Original post by Maker)
    Leaving is a bigger risk since no one knows what the response will be from the big economies like the US or China.
    So you mean you can't tell us what remaining looks like? Clearly it's a massive jump in the dark and you have no clear vision :rolleyes:

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    (Original post by Abirella)
    I think Britain will stay in the EU.
    Of course women will vote to stay in the EU, because although they won't admit it they all fantasise about being ravaged by the big, unruly "refugee" brutes from Syria et all
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    why do some of you want to leave?
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    What don't you like about foreign languages?
    And probably Doubt or Holding onto You
    Makes it harder to understand them and you don't know what they are talking about, they could be commenting on you
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    (Original post by jneill)
    You say that as if migration is a bad thing...

    And for net migration we are ranked 38th in the world.

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    13.2% of UK's Population are Immigrants
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    (Original post by GeorgeMillerr)
    13.2% of UK's Population are Immigrants
    And?

    = 7.5 million. With 13+ million Brits abroad.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    And?

    = 7.5 million. With 13+ million Brits abroad.
    We will lose our heritage, more and more foreigners are coming everyday, Even the mayor of london is a foreigner
    The brits abroad are mainly in USA and Australia, those are lands build by immigrants
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    (Original post by GeorgeMillerr)
    We will lose our heritage, more and more foreigners are coming everyday, Even the mayor of london is a foreigner
    The brits abroad are mainly in USA and Australia, those are lands build by immigrants
    Heritage? So you are anti-immigration of any kind. Great.

    BTW the ex-major of London is Turkish. Also his wife is half Indian sikh.
    And Farage's current wife is German, his ex is Irish.

    Oh, and those lands seem to be doing ok...
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Fear is a good response to uncertainty, its benefited humans for millions of years. Thats the reason we don't jump off cliffs in the dark and hoping the water is deep enough and not crash onto rocks. Leavers have no idea how deep the water is or where the rocks are.

    WTO is a human construct, I pretty sure the EU has the clout to change the rules if they were motivated enough and there is not a lot Britain outside the EU can do. Might is right.
    you're summing up the remain campaign perfectly
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    What British people think, vs the facts.
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    The difference between perception and fact could cost the REMAIN campaign dear.

    The Perils of Perception and the EU

    The full presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/IpsosMORI/...-of-perception
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    you're summing up the remain campaign perfectly
    Do you agree with GeorgeMillerr above?
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Do you agree with GeorgeMillerr above?
    do you agree with david cameron and his war world 3 predictions?
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    (Original post by jneill)
    What British people think, vs the facts.
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    The difference between perception and fact could cost the Leave campaign dear.

    The Perils of Perception and the EU

    The full presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/IpsosMORI/...-of-perception
    I would have thought that works the other way and it's the Remain campaign that have an uphill struggle to try to get the true facts across - for example, on immigration and welfare, where as the chart shows, people's belief about these things are wildly exaggerated.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I would have thought that works the other way and it's the Remain campaign that have an uphill struggle to try to get the true facts across - for example, on immigration and welfare, where as the chart shows, people's belief about these things are wildly exaggerated.
    That's what I meant to say! (Doh! I've edited now...)
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    do you agree with david cameron and his war world 3 predictions?
    I agree the EU has contributed to post-war European stability. Yes.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    I agree the EU has contributed to post-war European stability. Yes.
    Serbia? Bosnia? Ukraine?
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    I agree the EU has contributed to post-war European stability. Yes.
    there is no proof of that. statism doesn't prevent national tensions. just look what happened with the post-yugoslav. state and the wars involving bosnia and kosovo with the croats and the serbs. they were united by a state (and the EU is basically a state) but it did nothing).

    the only things that will contribute the peace are either free trade or democracy. we need democracy via independence, but if the EU doesn't want to free trade with us when we want to free trad with them, then it is *them* that do not want peace and stability.
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    (Original post by GeorgeMillerr)
    Makes it harder to understand them and you don't know what they are talking about, they could be commenting on you
    Why do you need to understand what they're talking about unless they're talking to you?
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Serbia? Bosnia? Ukraine?
    Are not in EU.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    there is no proof of that. statism doesn't prevent national tensions. just look what happened with the post-yugoslav. state and the wars involving bosnia and kosovo with the croats and the serbs. they were united by a state (and the EU is basically a state) but it did nothing).

    the only things that will contribute the peace are either free trade or democracy. we need democracy via independence, but if the EU doesn't want to free trade with us when we want to free trad with them, then it is *them* that do not want peace and stability.
    The rise of nationalism post-Tito was the factor there. Fanatic nationalism is never a good thing... is it?
 
 
 
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