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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Show hasnt been worth watching since that redhead left. Dont even like Doctor Who, used to leave it on mute if she was on.
    agreed, donna was a corker.


    last weeks episode was good, compared to the others in s8. im trying to be hopeful for next weeks episode, but i cant shrug off my expectation of danny saving the world a la
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    missing the good episodes with tennant soooo much :/
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    (Original post by dire wolf)
    agreed, donna was a corker.


    last weeks episode was good, compared to the others in s8. im trying to be hopeful for next weeks episode, but i cant shrug off the expection of danny saving the world a la
    This is what I'm really dreading. Danny saves the world after the Doctor makes a hash of things, the Doctor then warms to him and some bull**** happily ever after ending occurs. And then there's the whole "goodness of humans" predictable outcome from Danny saving the world.
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    like capaldi as a doctor is good imo, but the plots are so **** and the whole clara and danny thing is kinda annoying aswell
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    (Original post by Kool_Panda)
    Rose Tyler?
    But that was very tastefully done.
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    (Original post by dire wolf)
    agreed, donna was a corker.


    last weeks episode was good, compared to the others in s8. im trying to be hopeful for next weeks episode, but i cant shrug off my expectation of danny saving the world a la
    nah, meant that wee ginger Scottish lass with the legs.

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    (Original post by VladThe1mpaler)
    Am I the only one who thinks this series has been a huge improvement compared to basically all of Matt Smith's series? Maybe it is just because the tone is a bit less childish (most of the time) but the only episode I've thought was absolutely terrible this series was the first one, which I think is one of Doctor Who's worst episodes. I'm not saying it is amazing but I feel it has improved. The Dalek episode was one of the best in years I think and last weeks was pretty good too.
    Nope, I think also think that series 8 is the best Doctor Who has been in years, and I'm constantly baffled by the bad reception its been getting from some people.

    I struggled with the slightly contrived series 6, and thought that series 7 was such a mess to the point where I'd given up by The Crimson Horror, and missed the 50th anniversary without really caring that much.

    I gave the new series a go though hoping the arrival of Capaldi would pick things up, but my expectations have been massively exceeded. It just feels like the effort's being put in again, with a straight focus on original stories (see Flatline, Listen and Time Heist) and thoughtful characterisation for both leads that I didn't think was possible for Doctor Who.

    My issue with some of the complaints leveled at the series is that they seem to be very nitpicky, driven by some blind, irrational dislike of Steven Moffat, or that they are often applicable to previous series as well. For example, I really don't understand the mass hatred for Danny Pink - at best I find him to be pretty intriguing and a warm, quirky character in episodes like Listen, Into The Dalek and Dark Water, and simply bland but inoffensive in some other episodes at worst. I've seen people moaning about the cheesy heroic backflip at the end of The Caretaker, seeming to forget the time when the Doctor once used the energy of a supernova to declare his love for Rose, or how Rory was suddenly rewritten as a badass action hero whenever it suited the plot after series 5. Likewise, I don't understand why people suddenly have an issue with Clara taking a prominent role in some stories, when the entire arc revolved around her in series 7B and her character is actually being written as realistic and layered (if still overly witty) person.

    The *****ing about the scientific inaccuracy in Kill The Moon is also ridiculous in my opinion - this is a show where magical orbs have terraformed unhabitable planets in a blink of an eye, a hospital has been shifted on and off the moon intact, and a giant Titanic shaped starship has been metres away from hitting Buckingham Palace before making a sharp U-turn upwards into the sky in seconds. People have never complained about how scientifically implausible the show is before, and it seems like people just want an excuse to moan about how Steven Moffat's running the show into the ground.

    This series hasn't been perfect (I agree that Deep Breath was an rubbish, confused misfire, and think that In the Forest of the Night was with good intentions, but pretty dull), but I do think this has been a considered and consistent series that's been good enough to restore my faith in the show and Moffat as a showrunner (on that subject, who could realistically replace him anyway?).
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    (Original post by somemightsay888)
    This is what I'm really dreading. Danny saves the world after the Doctor makes a hash of things, the Doctor then warms to him and some bull**** happily ever after ending occurs. And then there's the whole "goodness of humans" predictable outcome from Danny saving the world.
    The whole thing you've just described is kind of Doctor Who in a nutshell, it's a family show where there's bound to be a happy ending (although I personally think The Doctor is one of the saddest characters ever written). Likewise the show and the titular character has always found the best in humans, that's why he interacts with them so much and why the show is what it is...

    (Original post by roobster)
    Nope, I think also think that series 8 is the best Doctor Who has been in years, and I'm constantly baffled by the bad reception its been getting from some people.

    I struggled with the slightly contrived series 6, and thought that series 7 was such a mess to the point where I'd given up by The Crimson Horror, and missed the 50th anniversary without really caring that much.

    I gave the new series a go though hoping the arrival of Capaldi would pick things up, but my expectations have been massively exceeded. It just feels like the effort's being put in again, with a straight focus on original stories (see Flatline, Listen and Time Heist) and thoughtful characterisation for both leads that I didn't think was possible for Doctor Who.

    My issue with some of the complaints leveled at the series is that they seem to be very nitpicky, driven by some blind, irrational dislike of Steven Moffat, or that they are often applicable to previous series as well. For example, I really don't understand the mass hatred for Danny Pink - at best I find him to be pretty intriguing and a warm, quirky character in episodes like Listen, Into The Dalek and Dark Water, and simply bland but inoffensive in some other episodes at worst. I've seen people moaning about the cheesy heroic backflip at the end of The Caretaker, seeming to forget the time when the Doctor once used the energy of a supernova to declare his love for Rose, or how Rory was suddenly rewritten as a badass action hero whenever it suited the plot after series 5. Likewise, I don't understand why people suddenly have an issue with Clara taking a prominent role in some stories, when the entire arc revolved around her in series 7B and her character is actually being written as realistic and layered (if still overly witty) person.

    The *****ing about the scientific inaccuracy in Kill The Moon is also ridiculous in my opinion - this is a show where magical orbs have terraformed unhabitable planets in a blink of an eye, a hospital has been shifted on and off the moon intact, and a giant Titanic shaped starship has been metres away from hitting Buckingham Palace before making a sharp U-turn upwards into the sky in seconds. People have never complained about how scientifically implausible the show is before, and it seems like people just want an excuse to moan about how Steven Moffat's running the show into the ground.

    This series hasn't been perfect (I agree that Deep Breath was an rubbish, confused misfire, and think that In the Forest of the Night was with good intentions, but pretty dull), but I do think this has been a considered and consistent series that's been good enough to restore my faith in the show and Moffat as a showrunner (on that subject, who could realistically replace him anyway?).
    And thank you someone's finally managed to some up how I've been feeling about all the Moffat hate! I don't understand why people hate the fact romance exists in the show when they get so hyped up about the Doctor and Rose!

    Also people should try remembering a bit harder, the David Tennant era was by no means perfect (see Fear Her, Love and Monsters and more), every series and writer has bad episodes!
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    (Original post by Toughtee)
    The whole thing you've just described is kind of Doctor Who in a nutshell, it's a family show where there's bound to be a happy ending (although I personally think The Doctor is one of the saddest characters ever written). Likewise the show and the titular character has always found the best in humans, that's why he interacts with them so much and why the show is what it is...



    And thank you someone's finally managed to some up how I've been feeling about all the Moffat hate! I don't understand why people hate the fact romance exists in the show when they get so hyped up about the Doctor and Rose!

    Also people should try remembering a bit harder, the David Tennant era was by no means perfect (see Fear Her, Love and Monsters and more), every series and writer has bad episodes!
    I don't mind the happy ending. I understand the limitations of family TV...but having the same carbon copy happy ending, with the same plot outcome and same set pieces is lazy, predictable and stale. Hopefully I'm proved wrong and it doesn't end predictably
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    (Original post by roobster)
    Nope, I think also think that series 8 is the best Doctor Who has been in years, and I'm constantly baffled by the bad reception its been getting from some people.

    I struggled with the slightly contrived series 6, and thought that series 7 was such a mess to the point where I'd given up by The Crimson Horror, and missed the 50th anniversary without really caring that much.

    I gave the new series a go though hoping the arrival of Capaldi would pick things up, but my expectations have been massively exceeded. It just feels like the effort's being put in again, with a straight focus on original stories (see Flatline, Listen and Time Heist) and thoughtful characterisation for both leads that I didn't think was possible for Doctor Who.

    My issue with some of the complaints leveled at the series is that they seem to be very nitpicky, driven by some blind, irrational dislike of Steven Moffat, or that they are often applicable to previous series as well. For example, I really don't understand the mass hatred for Danny Pink - at best I find him to be pretty intriguing and a warm, quirky character in episodes like Listen, Into The Dalek and Dark Water, and simply bland but inoffensive in some other episodes at worst. I've seen people moaning about the cheesy heroic backflip at the end of The Caretaker, seeming to forget the time when the Doctor once used the energy of a supernova to declare his love for Rose, or how Rory was suddenly rewritten as a badass action hero whenever it suited the plot after series 5. Likewise, I don't understand why people suddenly have an issue with Clara taking a prominent role in some stories, when the entire arc revolved around her in series 7B and her character is actually being written as realistic and layered (if still overly witty) person.

    The *****ing about the scientific inaccuracy in Kill The Moon is also ridiculous in my opinion - this is a show where magical orbs have terraformed unhabitable planets in a blink of an eye, a hospital has been shifted on and off the moon intact, and a giant Titanic shaped starship has been metres away from hitting Buckingham Palace before making a sharp U-turn upwards into the sky in seconds. People have never complained about how scientifically implausible the show is before, and it seems like people just want an excuse to moan about how Steven Moffat's running the show into the ground.

    This series hasn't been perfect (I agree that Deep Breath was an rubbish, confused misfire, and think that In the Forest of the Night was with good intentions, but pretty dull), but I do think this has been a considered and consistent series that's been good enough to restore my faith in the show and Moffat as a showrunner (on that subject, who could realistically replace him anyway?).
    While I've generally enjoyed this series, talking in the pub on Wednesday with a friend made me realise some of the problems with this series. At the end of Day of The Doctor, we were teased with this finding Gallifrey plot arc. Time of... set it up further, and then it just appears to have been forgotten about. Then there was the talk in Deep Breath of why this [Capaldis] face, and Moffatt saying it wasn't random and would be expanded on. And that's just been ignored. Instead we've had the somewhat same-y "woman companion on TARDIS is conflicted about the Doctor and her boyfriend" - For Clara, see Amy & Rose, for Danny see Rory & Mickey. I wasn't expecting them to just bring back Gallifrey in one season, but I'd have liked to at least see something more about that.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    While I've generally enjoyed this series, talking in the pub on Wednesday with a friend made me realise some of the problems with this series. At the end of Day of The Doctor, we were teased with this finding Gallifrey plot arc. Time of... set it up further, and then it just appears to have been forgotten about. Then there was the talk in Deep Breath of why this [Capaldis] face, and Moffatt saying it wasn't random and would be expanded on. And that's just been ignored. Instead we've had the somewhat same-y "woman companion on TARDIS is conflicted about the Doctor and her boyfriend" - For Clara, see Amy & Rose, for Danny see Rory & Mickey. I wasn't expecting them to just bring back Gallifrey in one season, but I'd have liked to at least see something more about that.
    This. Many plot arcs have just been abandoned, forgotten about, abruptly curtailed or come to disappointing climaxes. Who knows though, maybe it's part of Moffats Masterplan, and he'll bring all these forgotten plot arcs together in one episode :bl:
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    (Original post by somemightsay888)
    Rose's was tolerable and was hidden well behind Mickey. The writing for Rose's little triangle was less cringey. Not only that but Mickey had battled Daleks, Cybermen etc, he was cool, well developed and a major character. Rory was the dull, average bloke from the Butcher's shop who just seemed to find himself travelling along, doing nothing spectacular except a few cool flips while there were explosions in the background
    Rory was a everyman thats what made him great,he wasnt a Gary Stu or something, Mickey was good too in fact I prefer both to most female companions.

    Doc should travel with a male only companion for a while, that will get the fangirls to watch it(I will hate it however if its just a pretty boy, needs to be a normal looker)
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    (Original post by drbluebox)
    Rory was a everyman thats what made him great,he wasnt a Gary Stu or something, Mickey was good too in fact I prefer both to most female companions.

    Doc should travel with a male only companion for a while, that will get the fangirls to watch it(I will hate it however if its just a pretty boy, needs to be a normal looker)
    Ahh fair enough, I hated Rory though. He was a bit too everyman, a bit too ordinary. A bit, well, boring. Mickey was an everyman but had a bit of spark about him. I'd like to see a male companion, just to completely ensure the whole romantic angle of the show is gone and it gets back to a more platonic relationship. But I reckon it would be a pretty boy unfortunately
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    While I've generally enjoyed this series, talking in the pub on Wednesday with a friend made me realise some of the problems with this series. At the end of Day of The Doctor, we were teased with this finding Gallifrey plot arc. Time of... set it up further, and then it just appears to have been forgotten about. Then there was the talk in Deep Breath of why this [Capaldis] face, and Moffatt saying it wasn't random and would be expanded on. And that's just been ignored. Instead we've had the somewhat same-y "woman companion on TARDIS is conflicted about the Doctor and her boyfriend" - For Clara, see Amy & Rose, for Danny see Rory & Mickey. I wasn't expecting them to just bring back Gallifrey in one season, but I'd have liked to at least see something more about that.
    That's fair enough really. I want to know why Capaldi's mug is popping up everywhere as well! However, I get the impression that this series is a conscious attempt to move away from the super serialised natures of series 5 to 7, I think even Moffat admitted he'd subconsciously lost sight of what he was doing with the show somewhere. Maybe we'll get some answers next year?

    (Original post by drbluebox)

    Doc should travel with a male only companion for a while, that will get the fangirls to watch it(I will hate it however if its just a pretty boy, needs to be a normal looker)
    Agreed, or possibly a series 1 style dynamic of the Doctor, and a platonic male-female companion team
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    (Original post by roobster)
    Nope, I think also think that series 8 is the best Doctor Who has been in years, and I'm constantly baffled by the bad reception its been getting from some people.

    I struggled with the slightly contrived series 6, and thought that series 7 was such a mess to the point where I'd given up by The Crimson Horror, and missed the 50th anniversary without really caring that much.

    I gave the new series a go though hoping the arrival of Capaldi would pick things up, but my expectations have been massively exceeded. It just feels like the effort's being put in again, with a straight focus on original stories (see Flatline, Listen and Time Heist) and thoughtful characterisation for both leads that I didn't think was possible for Doctor Who.

    My issue with some of the complaints leveled at the series is that they seem to be very nitpicky, driven by some blind, irrational dislike of Steven Moffat, or that they are often applicable to previous series as well. For example, I really don't understand the mass hatred for Danny Pink - at best I find him to be pretty intriguing and a warm, quirky character in episodes like Listen, Into The Dalek and Dark Water, and simply bland but inoffensive in some other episodes at worst. I've seen people moaning about the cheesy heroic backflip at the end of The Caretaker, seeming to forget the time when the Doctor once used the energy of a supernova to declare his love for Rose, or how Rory was suddenly rewritten as a badass action hero whenever it suited the plot after series 5. Likewise, I don't understand why people suddenly have an issue with Clara taking a prominent role in some stories, when the entire arc revolved around her in series 7B and her character is actually being written as realistic and layered (if still overly witty) person.

    The *****ing about the scientific inaccuracy in Kill The Moon is also ridiculous in my opinion - this is a show where magical orbs have terraformed unhabitable planets in a blink of an eye, a hospital has been shifted on and off the moon intact, and a giant Titanic shaped starship has been metres away from hitting Buckingham Palace before making a sharp U-turn upwards into the sky in seconds. People have never complained about how scientifically implausible the show is before, and it seems like people just want an excuse to moan about how Steven Moffat's running the show into the ground.

    This series hasn't been perfect (I agree that Deep Breath was an rubbish, confused misfire, and think that In the Forest of the Night was with good intentions, but pretty dull), but I do think this has been a considered and consistent series that's been good enough to restore my faith in the show and Moffat as a showrunner (on that subject, who could realistically replace him anyway?).
    What you are forgetting is that the whole plot revolved around the scenario being realistic with the assumption that the creature hatching would destroy the earth so a plausible explanation of humanity surviving was needed to make the whole episode meaningful.I still think it was a good episode in general let down by the conclusion.If something improbably just happened people wouldn't be that angry but the plot revolved around the scenario being taken with a realistic view of the world and Kill the Moon's creature giving birth to an egg as big as it is beyond the usual unrealistic nature of the show and a lot of the show's concepts aren't that unrealistic because people have pulled off lucky escapes and constructing a titantic replica is plausible.

    I will add onto this that the most improbable thing that happened this series when Earth trees were revealed to be conscious and able to grow as much as was needed to save the Earth, not only does this contradict basic plant science but it also contradicted the shows history because in The End of the World trees did not grow to try and save the Earth from the Sun- that episode has to be the worst episode ever wrote of Doctor Who I can't understand how Moffat could have deemed the show unacceptable, I think that was when I fully started to decide that the BBC need to get Moffat out ASAP because obviously something is wrong in the production team when an episode designed for 3 or 4 year olds was aired.

    Doctor Who should be a serious Sci-Fi show based around complicated hard core Physics concepts that may sometimes be slightly improbable but ridiculous things like a creature giving birth to an egg the same size as it or plants growing to save the Earth and being conscious(which we know to be false on Earth in both the real world and the Doctor Who world) so the writers are just writing rubbish.Concepts like the Tardis being bigger in the inside makes sense with Physics of the 5th dimension.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Doctor Who should be a serious Sci-Fi show based around complicated hard core Physics concepts that may sometimes be slightly improbable but ridiculous things like a creature giving birth to an egg the same size as it or plants growing to save the Earth and being conscious(which we know to be false on Earth in both the real world and the Doctor Who world) so the writers are just writing rubbish.Concepts like the Tardis being bigger in the inside makes sense with Physics of the 5th dimension.
    Bruh.

    Do you even physic?
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    What you are forgetting is that the whole plot revolved around the scenario being realistic with the assumption that the creature hatching would destroy the earth so a plausible explanation of humanity surviving was needed to make the whole episode meaningful.I still think it was a good episode in general let down by the conclusion.If something improbably just happened people wouldn't be that angry but the plot revolved around the scenario being taken with a realistic view of the world and Kill the Moon's creature giving birth to an egg as big as it is beyond the usual unrealistic nature of the show and a lot of the show's concepts aren't that unrealistic because people have pulled off lucky escapes and constructing a titantic replica is plausible.

    I will add onto this that the most improbable thing that happened this series when Earth trees were revealed to be conscious and able to grow as much as was needed to save the Earth, not only does this contradict basic plant science but it also contradicted the shows history because in The End of the World trees did not grow to try and save the Earth from the Sun- that episode has to be the worst episode ever wrote of Doctor Who I can't understand how Moffat could have deemed the show unacceptable, I think that was when I fully started to decide that the BBC need to get Moffat out ASAP because obviously something is wrong in the production team when an episode designed for 3 or 4 year olds was aired.

    Doctor Who should be a serious Sci-Fi show based around complicated hard core Physics concepts that may sometimes be slightly improbable but ridiculous things like a creature giving birth to an egg the same size as it or plants growing to save the Earth and being conscious(which we know to be false on Earth in both the real world and the Doctor Who world) so the writers are just writing rubbish.Concepts like the Tardis being bigger in the inside makes sense with Physics of the 5th dimension.
    A solar flare, and the sun exploding, are two very different things. The earth being eaten by the sun isn't something that the trees could stop like in that episode. Again - doctor who is a science fiction show - the science doesn't have to be accurate.




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    The brigadier killed the master? Did I go back to pertwees era?

    Still, absolutely loved the episode. Gomez was a great master, just a shame that looks over.


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    Wow, fair play to Michelle Gomez, absolutely excellent as The Master.
 
 
 
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