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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Alternatively, they're claiming, for the time being, not to have them and will pull them out later when Israel finally grows up enough to go to the negotiating table.
    Not probable, as last time Hamas claimed to have captured a soldier, they made it known widely. Wonder what happened to that one...
    Besides, Hamas knows, from experience, that Israel will launch fiercer 'revenge' attacks than usual if they know that Hamas is holding a soldier.
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    (Original post by Pussy Galore)
    neo-nazis are mainly pro palestine, they have been infiltrating pro palestine movements in attempts to make 'anti-Semitism' mainstream, they are loving it.
    German neo-Nazis: We're pro-Israel, condemn anti-Semitism

    2 Israelis Wore Neo Nazi Shirts During Attack on Anti War Protest in Tel Aviv

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    Israeli media is circulating rumours about Hamas claims against ceasefire. Trying to cover up for these remarks by Israeli officials regarding upcoming ceasefire talks:
    They forgot to add: 'Because our only concern is the natural resources in Gaza, which will do Israel good in these tight times.'
    Why does Israel keep changing its story on Gaza?
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    (Original post by Sic semper erat)
    Yes but the context of our conversation is entirely to do with controlling people's lives.
    I disagree. While the impact of the siege on Gazans' daily lives is undoubtedly important, the political/legal status of the territories cannot be dismissed.

    Meaning that the PA itself has no legal authority either, if the Accords that established it are pragmatic.
    Probably the case initially, but now a case could be made that the PA has legitimacy outside this due to widespread international recognition, including being a non-member UN state.

    Nasser blocked the Strait of Tiran, an act of war.
    He offered to refer the case to the ICJ, and the Israeli government turned him down.

    He also sent away the UN peacekeepers in the Sinai
    The UN offered to move the peacekeepers to the Israeli side of the border, and the Israeli government turned the offer down.

    and positioned his tanks by the Israeli border. Self-defense does not mean letting your enemy attack you first, Israel had every right to respond to that.

    "The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel." Nasser in a speech to Arab Trade Unionists on 26 May.

    "We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood" - Gamal Abdel Nasser

    "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel."- Cairo Radio

    “All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel” - Cairo Radio

    “As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel….The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence”. - Cairo Radio, 1967

    Just take a good think about all this..... lol
    "The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him" - Menachem Begin

    "Nasser did not want war." - Abba Eban, then Israeli foreign minister

    "The whole story about threat of extermination was totally contrived, and then elaborated upon a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territories." - Mordechai Bentov, then Israeli cabinet minister

    "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." - Yitzhak Rabin, then Chief of Staff

    "I am convinved that our General Staff never told the government that there was any substance to the Egyptian military threat to Israel... All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered in our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded toward the full mobilization of our forced, no-one in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary for our 'defence' against the Egyptian threat...To pretend that the Egyptian force concentrated on our border were capable of threatening Israel's existence not only insults the intelligence of any person capable of analyzing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Zahal [the Israeli Army]." - Mattityahu Peled, then Chief of Logistics for the Armed Forces

    I watched the original clip of the meeting. The Soviet Union wanted an Israeli withdrawal, but the U.S. and Israel pursuaded on 'no Israeli withdrawal, but rather return of territories in return for peace [and security]'. Worried by Israeli expansions into Syria, the Soviets in order to put a quick end to the war agreed to this.

    What you say about the text is innacurate by the way. For starters the text says "territories" and not "the territories", meaning that the emphasis is on a peace agreement rather than territory per se. The second aspect of the resolution is concerned with security and secure borders, meaning that Israel does have legitimacy to have military control over the Jordan Valley for example. Notice how Kerry's recent framework involved Israel keeping control over the Jordan Valley.
    Eight of the fifteen SC states said that they were voting for the resolution on the understanding that it meant an Israeli withdrawal from all occupied territories.

    And the right to security and secure borders applies both ways.
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    (Original post by broscience123)
    It is funny (actually more sad), how accurate this is, especially on TSR.





    To Mods: Please do not merge/delete this topic. This is a greater discussion on the copy-pasta'd "arguments" we see everywhere, and to what effect these "arguments" have on swaying public opinion.
    Where is this from?
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    The Times of Israel: 'When Genocide is Permissible'

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9643888.html

    :K:
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    (Original post by n00)
    The Times of Israel: 'When Genocide is Permissible'

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9643888.html

    :K:
    This one has yet to be taken down: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columni...must-go-368862
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      (Original post by miavdbt)
      You would destroy everyone who is not a white Aryan, straight, healthy German?
      That wasn't Hitlers position at all actually.

      A gross, emotional straw-man/exaggeration of his ethnic views and actions.
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        Yea sorry, they don't accurately represent Nazi/Neo-Nazi views any more than "Muslims for Extra-Marital Sex and Prophet Drawings" represent Islam.

        Don't confuse "Nazi" with "National Socialist"(The party in your link) either, the two are different.

        While "Good night left side" is popular among Nazis and Neo-Nazis it's not unique to them, many american Republicans/Conservatives wear it as well.

        It's a sign that they dislike the far-left.
        Nazi's dislike the far-left, but not every anti-far left individual is a Nazi.

        That's false logic.
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        Quick reminder how the terrorists seized power

        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=964_1181860210
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        (Original post by Sic semper erat)
        WATCH: Finnish reporter admits Gaza rockets launched from hospital

        Gotcha.
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        (Original post by Sic semper erat)
        WATCH: Finnish reporter admits Gaza rockets launched from hospital

        Wow, how credible! A lone scraggly woman on camera tells the world that a rocket was launched from a hospital already overflowing with the dead and dying! No solid evidence, nothing. How is this any different from those pie charts the IDF painstakingly makes up to drive its tripe home? It isn't.
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        (Original post by Zen Baphomet)
        That wasn't Hitlers position at all actually.

        A gross, emotional straw-man/exaggeration of his ethnic views and actions.
        I'm well aware of Hitler's position. I'm also well aware where it would have gone should he have won WWII

        If you want to clarify what you believe to be Hitler's position, please do. However, it id undeniable that ethnic minorities, homosexuals, and the disabled were all persecuted under his rule. Were he to expand, the slavs would have followed. Then, no doubt the Arabs.
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        Israeli figures show 47% of those killed thus far are terrorists. According to Israeli sources, they have names and photos for many of them proving they were affiliated to terrorist groups. Evidence will be presented to investigators.

        Time to embarrass the propaganda merchants at the UN with their "85% civilians" nonsense.
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          (Original post by miavdbt)
          I'm well aware of Hitler's position. I'm also well aware where it would have gone should he have won WWII

          If you want to clarify what you believe to be Hitler's position, please do. However, it id undeniable that ethnic minorities, homosexuals, and the disabled were all persecuted under his rule. Were he to expand, the slavs would have followed. Then, no doubt the Arabs.
          Hitler believed(from his private writings, discussions, documents and manifestos) in the unity and supremacy of the Nordic race as a whole, with a special place for the German Aryan as the Ideal candiate.

          Contrary to popular belief, he didn't view non Aryan Caucasians as inherently inferior or that they need to be exterminated.
          He also had a overwhelming respect for the Asians(specifically the Japanese) in which he openly stated that there culture and history was far superior to the Germans, and he had open admiration for there Nationalist strength and determination.

          The concept(you stated) that all Non-Germans would have been purged is absolute nonsense, and not an idea supported by his actions during the War or his writings and conversations prior and during it either.
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            (Original post by Pinzgauer)
            Israeli figures show 47% of those killed thus far are terrorists. According to Israeli sources, they have names and photos for many of them proving they were affiliated to terrorist groups. Evidence will be presented to investigators.

            Time to embarrass the propaganda merchants at the UN with their "85% civilians" nonsense.
            Because no government has ever falsified or twisted figures to boost there own cause in a combat situation or war.
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            (Original post by Pinzgauer)
            6 ceasefires either rejected or broken by palestinians.

            Hence world leaders are far less critical of Israel. They know that the terrorist entity is at fault.
            And all ceasefires that have been made have also been broken by Israel, may I remind you. And are they really less critical?
            And how is that anything to do with both sides being too childish to talk directly to each other? At least it's good (well, not really) to see Israel learnt well from the Americans that if they're attacked by somebody they label as terrorists they believe it makes it OK for them to break the law. At least the Unites States has the decency to admit it, albeit several years later.
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            (Original post by Zen Baphomet)
            Because no government has ever falsified or twisted figures to boost there own cause in a combat situation or war.
            More trustworthy than an organisation which is infiltrated by Islamists and has admited they get their figures from Hamas healthy ministry and the MEDIA.

            Israel at least has proper intelligence and will provide names and photos.

            Better than UN's hearsay.
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            (Original post by Sic semper erat)
            She could be wrong or she could be right, who knows. Its good PR for Israel nonetheless and their fight against Quranimals
            Surely it can't be a coincidence that all of you pro-Zionists have the same quip ('it could be right, it could be wrong') when confronted with something that is obviously false...?

            If anything, the video just shows Israelis out to be deluded if they can believe something so strongly with such a dire lack of evidence.

            Also, 'Quranimals'... LOL. Hamas =/= Al-Qaeda, no matter how much Israel tries to portray them thus.
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            (Original post by miavdbt)
            No, you can't deliberately hurt civilians under International Law, however you can target such things as factories producing arms, homes used as military shelters and anyone who is by any means associated with combat and military. The lines become blurred when civilians pick up arms, and then leave them again.

            I don't have my International Law textbook, otherwise I could have made this a lot clearer.

            Either way, Israel is not targeting civilians, all of its targets are involved with Hamas, if civilians happen to die in those, then I believe that does not count as deliberately targeting civilians, because their target was the military shelter (for example), not whatever civilians happened to stand there.
            who cares what international law is ? they will break it anyway
           
           
           
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