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    Not at all. That is applying capitalist values to a non-capitalist culture. It doesn't work.
    So you think if people knew they would be OK they would work harder so that other people who are lazy gets a better life? The only way this would work would be to completely change human nature.
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    Flying.
    Well I guess it could work on a plane, especially if there is only one person onboard.

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    Worth pointing out that the Hofer's opponent in Austria is the left wing Green Party candidate. Fits what I've been saying, across western civilisation there has yet to be a real economic recovery from an economic crash that happened 8 years ago and people are looking for answers. They are either blaming immigrants and shifting to the far right, or blaming the neoliberal economic orthodoxy and shifting leftwards. You can see this with Trump, Le Pen, Farage and Hofer on the right, and with Syriza, Podemos, Sanders and Corbyn on the left. Slowly but surely the 'moderates' are losing their grip on things. I'm both excited for the left and a little bit worried of the right. Alas, this is going to be very tense whilst postal votes come in, this is one of those few elections where every single vote actually matters.
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    Worth pointing out that the Hofer's opponent in Austria is the left wing Green Party candidate. Fits what I've been saying, across western civilisation there has yet to be a real economic recovery from an economic crash that happened 8 years ago and people are looking for answers. They are either blaming immigrants and shifting to the far right, or blaming the neoliberal economic orthodoxy and shifting leftwards. You can see this with Trump, Le Pen, Farage and Hofer on the right, and with Syriza, Podemos, Sanders and Corbyn on the left. Slowly but surely the 'moderates' are losing their grip on things. I'm both excited for the left and a little bit worried of the right. Alas, this is going to be very tense whilst postal votes come in, this is one of those few elections where every single vote actually matters.
    Bit then in Britain you see no real discontent

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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    So you think if people knew they would be OK they would work harder so that other people who are lazy gets a better life? The only way this would work would be to completely change human nature.
    Yes, I think that people get board of doing nothing and ultimately want to work. People would work because they like to work and want to improve themself.
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    Well I guess it could work on a plane, especially if there is only one person onboard.

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    No, the exact argument was used for flying once. And many other things... And they we as wrong as you are.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Bit then in Britain you see no real discontent

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    If anyone dares to say something anything right of Marx they are shot down as racist or something similar, so people are quiet about what they believe.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    In theory, but in the real world it doesn't work.
    It works fine in Scandinavia and France.
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    It works fine in Scandinavia and France.
    You mean something that isn't socialist shows socialism works?

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    It works fine in Scandinavia and France.
    It doesnt work fine in France and scandinavia is hardly socialist.

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    (Original post by Aph)
    Yes, I think that people get board of doing nothing and ultimately want to work. People would work because they like to work and want to improve themself.

    No, the exact argument was used for flying once. And many other things... And they we as wrong as you are.
    Yes they want to improve themselves, people in general are lazy and socialism takes away the incentive of bettering your life.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    It works fine in Scandinavia and France.
    No it doesn't.
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    It doesnt work fine in France and scandinavia is hardly socialist.

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    Yes it does and yes they are.
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    Can people stop talking about socialism and capitalism as if they are both just one thing. There are many many variations on both so until you specify exactly which type of socialism or which type of capitalism you are talking about, the points you are trying to make are entirely baseless.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You mean something that isn't socialist shows socialism works?

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    *you mean something that isnt socialist and doesnt work shows socialism works?

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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    If anyone dares to say something anything right of Marx they are shot down as racist or something similar, so people are quiet about what they believe.
    I think you need to find some new frie

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    Yes, I think that people get board of doing nothing and ultimately want to work. People would work because they like to work and want to improve themself.

    No, the exact argument was used for flying once. And many other things... And they we as wrong as you are.
    And they were also said about things that are objectively wrong...

    And things that have been proven impossible were once declared possible

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    (Original post by cBay)
    Can people stop talking about socialism and capitalism as if they are both just one thing. There are many many variations on both so until you specify exactly which type of socialism or which type of capitalism you are talking about, the points you are trying to make are entirely baseless.
    Agreed.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Yes it does and yes they are.
    No they aren't.
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    Yes it does and yes they are.
    Then you need to look up the definitions of "work" and "socialism"

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    I think you need to find some new frie



    And they were also said about things that are objectively wrong...

    And things that have been proven impossible were once declared possible

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    I'll have to find some first.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Yes they want to improve themselves, people in general are lazy and socialism takes away the incentive of bettering your life.
    Again capitalist ideas on socialist principles.
    (Original post by cBay)
    Can people stop talking about socialism and capitalism as if they are both just one thing. There are many many variations on both so until you specify exactly which type of socialism or which type of capitalism you are talking about, the points you are trying to make are entirely baseless.
    They have similarities and as long as we are talking in broad terms.
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    I think you need to find some new frie



    And they were also said about things that are objectively wrong...

    And things that have been proven impossible were once declared possible

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    Socialism hasn't been proven impossible. Capitalism doesn't work.
 
 
 
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