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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Actually no.

    That is a complete shock, especially as I'm sure more then 3 of you support Kendall.
    None of you (other then Ray & United) have expressed support for corbyn and I'm sure most have said they dislike him
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I disagree with most of that.
    I did genuinely think Stannis was a Tory until I was told otherwise.
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    (Original post by nebelbon)
    I did genuinely think Stannis was a Tory until I was told otherwise.
    That's the part that I don't disagree with.
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    I did genuinely think Stannis was a Tory until I was told otherwise.
    Hes defo the most right wing.
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    Tonight junaidk7 has been elected Deputy Leader.
    Congratulations and good luck! junaidk7
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    (Original post by Aph)
    That is a complete shock, especially as I'm sure more then 3 of you support Kendall.
    None of you (other then Ray & United) have expressed support for corbyn and I'm sure most have said they dislike him
    It my have been in the Labour chat thread then but I definitely have commented about support for Corbyn.

    I'd be stuck if Corbyn wasnt there though. Tied between Cooper/Burnham who are both worse than Milliband, or Kendall, who I resent but she would be the one most likely to win.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    That is a complete shock, especially as I'm sure more then 3 of you support Kendall.
    None of you (other then Ray & United) have expressed support for corbyn and I'm sure most have said they dislike him
    Labour MP other than Ray and United here, expressing support for Corbyn - the only one who'll take us in the right direction.
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    I know this might be a silly question, but I'm an upcoming student in a British university (moving to the UK in September) and the Labour party is the one I support. Can I actually join the party ranks, despite being from the EU? (I'm studying Politics)
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Actually no.

    You guys are worse than I thought, why is the socialist membership so low? Surely they should have 3 MPs who actually engage in debate
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Labour MP other than Ray and United here, expressing support for Corbyn - the only one who'll take us in the right direction.
    Back to your roots, yes, into contention for third party, well, I guess that is the right direction for some
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Back to your roots, yes, into contention for third party, well, I guess that is the right direction for some
    Nonsense he gives us the best chance of winning in 2020.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Back to your roots, yes, into contention for third party, well, I guess that is the right direction for some
    Tbh I'd much rather we had 50 seats and stuck to our left-wing roots and principles, than that we abandoned those principles and got 400 (as happened with Blair). After all - the Labour Party was founded to be a left-wing voice in parliament, not to win elections.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Tbh I'd much rather we had 50 seats and stuck to our left-wing roots and principles, than that we abandoned those principles and got 400 (as happened with Blair). After all - the Labour Party was founded to be a left-wing voice in parliament, not to win elections.
    Hear Hear.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Tbh I'd much rather we had 50 seats and stuck to our left-wing roots and principles, than that we abandoned those principles and got 400 (as happened with Blair). After all - the Labour Party was founded to be a left-wing voice in parliament, not to win elections.
    Ridiculous attitude.
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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    Ridiculous attitude.
    You don't seem to have registered that we're not the Tory party and unlike them we have principles to defend and voiceless people to be a voice for. In my book that's far more important than the number of our members who happen to have Commons seats.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    You don't seem to have registered that we're not the Tory party and unlike them we have principles to defend and voiceless people to be a voice for. In my book that's far more important than the number of our members who happen to have Commons seats.
    So actually helping people and improving lives is less important to paying lip service to dead ideologies?
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    (Original post by United1892)
    Nonsense he gives us the best chance of winning in 2020.
    If people wanted what he is offering why did TUSC and all the other lefties (bar the greens) do so badly? Who's going to win, somebody that gives the floating voters what they want or one that doesn't?
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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    So actually helping people and improving lives is less important to paying lip service to dead ideologies?
    Of course it's not. That's why we don't pay lip service to dead ideologies - we advocate ideologies which involve helping people and improving lives and if we're in power, we generally proceed to help people and improve lives. That's why we shouldn't abandon those ideologies simply because we want to be in power.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Of course it's not. That's why we don't pay lip service to dead ideologies - we advocate ideologies which involve helping people and improving lives and if we're in power, we generally proceed to help people and improve lives. That's why we shouldn't abandon those ideologies simply because we want to be in power.
    Blairism has, factually, created a stronger economy and fairer society than classical socialism has in its entire history. So why not win AND advocate ideologies that help people?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    If people wanted what he is offering why did TUSC and all the other lefties (bar the greens) do so badly? Who's going to win, somebody that gives the floating voters what they want or one that doesn't?
    Well firstly generally even those to the left will stick with labour rather than go with someone more suitable to their beliefs however with the Greens and SNP on the rise this is unlikely to happen with kendall.

    Those floating voters who go for central parties are unlokely to sway from the tories and the non voters who are more likely to be inspired by Corbyns passion make up a much bigger market.

    Also many people voted UKIP as they felt them the only real alternative to the tories so many of them can be won back by labour.
 
 
 
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