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    ****. Apparently Austria isn't quite there yet…
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    ****. Apparently Austria isn't quite there yet…
    That's an odd way of saying " Thank **** the facist wasn't elected ".
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Except that inequality has grown, power has been concentrated in a tiny minority of people and the quality of life for people can be assured under socialism too when it is applied correctly.
    The problem with this claim is you fail to provide examples of socialism working in a state to boost living standards at the same rate as capitalism. The point is this, capitalist countries are more developed, the citizens are wealthier, the standard of living is better by every metric, and political stability tends to be stronger.
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    I an pleased the ex Green leader has been elected as Austrian President.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    The problem with this claim is you fail to provide examples of socialism working in a state to boost living standards at the same rate as capitalism. The point is this, capitalist countries are more developed, the citizens are wealthier, the standard of living is better by every metric, and political stability tends to be stronger.
    It's obvious from examples that capitalism can boost the average standard of living at a greater rate, but it can also decrease further low standards at an alarming rate too.

    Personally that's why I'm a keen advocate of social democracy - best of both worlds.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    The problem with this claim is you fail to provide examples of socialism working in a state to boost living standards at the same rate as capitalism. The point is this, capitalist countries are more developed, the citizens are wealthier, the standard of living is better by every metric, and political stability tends to be stronger.
    Because socialism has not been applied in a state for long enough without another nation trying to extinguish it.
    Also you are applying rather faulty logic because correlation doesn't equal causation.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Because socialism has not been applied in a state for long enough without another nation trying to extinguish it.
    Also you are applying rather faulty logic because correlation doesn't equal causation.
    These are endless claims that you have no evidence for, the evidence of capitalism working is the continued economic development in Western capitalist countries at a rate exceeding the development of socialist countries. Claiming socialism has not been tried properly, or capitalism has not led to unrivalled development is ignoring history, denying socialism is socialism, and making excuses to justify something you advocate not working.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    These are endless claims that you have no evidence for, the evidence of capitalism working is the continued economic development in Western capitalist countries at a rate exceeding the development of socialist countries. Claiming socialism has not been tried properly, or capitalism has not led to unrivalled development is ignoring history, denying socialism is socialism, and making excuses to justify something you advocate not working.
    You assume that constant growth is possible... And again there are no capitalist countries....

    Plus for socialism to work it has to be shut of from capitalism so your 'evidence' is meaningless.

    You also assume money is the only improtant thing.
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    You assume that constant growth is possible... And again there are no capitalist countries....

    Plus for socialism to work it has to be shut of from capitalism so your 'evidence' is meaningless.

    You also assume money is the only improtant thing.
    In its broadest sense, a capitalist state is where the means of production are owned privately by individuals, or companies, in socialism there is collective ownership of the means of production. Money is the prime thing of importance, however, life expectancy, infant mortality, and literacy rates are all important measures; all are better in capitalist states.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    In its broadest sense, a capitalist state is where the means of production are owned privately by individuals, or companies, in socialism there is collective ownership of the means of production. Money is the prime thing of importance, however, life expectancy, infant mortality, and literacy rates are all important measures; all are better in capitalist states.
    Money is the least important thing... People before profit.
    Ummmm also, you know that countries with better life expectancy ect. Are all countries who have heavily invested in education and the people so have big states and thus can't be capitalist.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Money is the least important thing... People before profit.
    Ummmm also, you know that countries with better life expectancy ect. Are all countries who have heavily invested in education and the people so have big states and thus can't be capitalist.
    Having a large state does not disqualify a country from being capitalist because the basis of capitalism is not the role of the government, you are confusing capitalism with neoclassical economics, and economic neoliberalism. The capitalist countries that are developing have the ability to invest in education, healthcare, and other social institutions because capitalism has driven to country forward to allow the provide the state with the wealth to be able to invest in education, healthcare, and other social institutions; socialism would not develop the wealth for public spending.
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    Regardless of which economic system you favour, there should be a certain amount of dignity in business. No-one should find out that they are losing their job via the media, even if they are on multi-millions per year. The Glazers should hang their head in shame over the treatment of Louis Van Gaal. Ironically they are then going to replace him with someone who criticised a doctor in public, instead of the person who was exaggerating injury.

    Indeed there should be some methods of dismissal that are not just unfair, but those who dismiss via the media, or by text message as has happened, should be guilty of a crime, regardless of whether or not the dismissed person goes to a tribunal.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Money is the least important thing... People before profit.
    Ummmm also, you know that countries with better life expectancy ect. Are all countries who have heavily invested in education and the people so have big states and thus can't be capitalist.
    Does not follow. To not be capitalist, privately owned means of production and market forces being dominant in at least some areas of the economy is all that is required. I think you're confusing capitalism and a purely free market state, which cannot exist. I don't see how absolute freedom is reconcilable with any kind of contract law, for example. The bar for socialism is higher because it is an aberration of the natural system of a country where people can own property and trade freely, but the state owns some sectors and there are still laws, etc.
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    All economies are mixed, and most mixed economies are capitalist all the same.
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    Every single Bill or motion put before the House in this Parliament has been defeated it seems. Is this a record for consecutive Nays?
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    Every single Bill or motion put before the House in this Parliament has been defeated it seems. Is this a record for consecutive Nays?
    Just wait for the incoming onslaught of government statements.

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    Irish coffee to go please. (Hopefully my membership hasn't expired....:ninja:)
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    Just wait for the incoming onslaught of government statements.

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    That sounds precariously similar to something you would have said during the last term where members were asking for government plans, a date for the budget, and Statement of Intents.
 
 
 
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