Firstly, natural doesn't really mean anything. There is no opposite to "natural". What happens, happens because it is natural. We are animals... the city is our nest and roads are our forest path. Nature has no correlation with morality or human moral systems. Nature includes natural disasters and terminal illness... it has nothing to do with any goal. Nature does not have rules and so things like reproduction or food chains are not something "fixed" as extinction is also a part of nature.
So when we appeal to what is "natural" i think we tend to really mean what is "right". What is "right" is to do with human morality and so any appeals to animals and nature cannot be used to justify or condemn something like homosexuality.
So now it simply comes down to personal morality. If your religion tells you that homosexuality is wrong and you stick to your religion then it is not a question of personal choice.. you have let your religion decide. Then it comes down to a religious debate not a moral debate in which you'd have to first agree on whether God exists or not.
If you don't believe in God then morality pretty much has to be subjective. It then comes down to popular morality which is dictated by emotions and generally includes the "harm principle".
So based upon the harm principle, because homosexuality does not harm anyone else (and depending on your views, the homosexuals themselves), homosexuality is absolutely fine.
Once again though, "natural" holds no moral value.
i love how guys only ever seem to have issues with gay men.
Lesbians are just fine!, nothing unnatural about that huh?
There is nothing inherently wrong with homosexual sex, two people can do whatever they want, no matter how freaky it is - and with no reprecussions.
However, homosexuality is put forward as a sexual orientation rather than an act that two people engage in. Humans are naturally bisexual, sexual preferences being formed by experience - it is a learned (verb) behavior. We are attracted to physical qualities such as colour, texture and form - not gender. We can also develop feelings for more abstract concepts such as personality or temprement. Homosexuals tend to confuse their attraction to physical qualities with love for the non-physical qualities. As such, I see homosexual "relationships" as two friends who through their mutual desire for sexual gratification have come to regard their otherwise normal relationship as a romantic one.
For I believe that between man and woman is the urge to procreate which comes from a deep genetic level. So man and woman seek out the qualities that they find appealing in order to have a good offspring and carry on the genes. A heterosexual relationship is to satisfy inherent natural urges that are neccessary to perpetuate ones genes. In satisfying these urges we find a more powerful form of "love" than is available to those who pursue homosexual relationships exclusively.
So you see, homosexuality is merely an act whereas heterosexuality is a creative act that comes from an inherent desire.
Homosexuality is no different from masturbation.
The problem arises when sexuality is marketed as a solid concept. Men who up until a certain point led normal heterosexual lives as masculine men have suddenly became enchanted by the idea that they are homosexual and turned effeminate, changing their whole personality and beheviour.
Through media and social manipulation these masturbators begin to build a separate and unnatural identity for themselves. This identity is psychologicaly a delusion. It causes them to act in harmful ways. They end up with a sort of neurosis about their position in society. Thus we see people setting up these "pride campaigns" in order to give themselves meaning. They create animosity in order to have something to fight against, if they have a cause they have a purpose and so a place in society.
Homosexuality is no different from masturbation because it is merely an act, albeit an act that involves another person/s. Homosexuality is an act that fulfils a personal erotic desire - like masturbation - whereas heterosexuality is a creative act that fulfils the inherent desire to reproduce. Heterosexual sex, while fulfilling an erotic desire also fulfills an inherent desire to procreate and has a creative outcome, unlike masturbation.
I am niether promoting homosexuality or condemning it, but you will notice that I hold heterosexuality up as a norm and a positive, creative act. The purpose of my arguement is to remove the needless hysteria (both pro and anti) about homosexuality.
I believe the "gay identity" is a negative thing, especialy for those who identify as homosexual and for those whom they choose to agitate.
What a load of absolute ********! How is being gay 'wrong' in any way?! to love is natural, why does it even matter who you are attracted to? stop being such a homophobe!!
Moot point. So long as it is consensual it is the business of nobody but the participants (unless they're making a lot of noise and disturbing the neighbours, same goes for hetros).
We have come to strange point in society where natural automatically equals good. Go and **** in a forest and see if that's true.
Also I find it strange when people try and quantify human sexuality. Can you explain humanity? No so stop trying and just enjoy the ride.
There's a lot of truth in the OP post. It is unnatural and the straightest of straights (such as myself) find it hard to understand why someone would find pleasure in sticking it up there, so to speak.
Things are supposed to come out, not go in. I completely understand that statement.
However, to suggest it's wrong is, well, wrong. Homosexuality is just, some what of a mutation from normality. Individuality you could possibly argue in someway. Don't paint gays as sub humans.