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    My friends and i were discussing whether SC accompanied with one good cca and good results and basically a ticket to scholarships and good universities. I said yes, if you look at RJ and VJ and HC SC, like a whole truckload of them would get the best scholarships/ or enter the good overseas unis. Is there any counterargument for this?
    A counterargument you seek? Sure! One answer: statistics.

    Okay TBH i don't have any real statistics, except for RL experience and interaction with a ton of people who have both received and been turned down by scholarship organisations and agencies.

    Let me just say that as far as universities are concerned, being in SC+another CCA+good results DOES NOT GUARANTEE YOU a place at a top university a la Ivy League + Oxbridge. FAR FROM IT. Oxbridge demands pure intellectual brilliance and couldn't really care if you helped a million people in Ghana. It helps but is hardly essential. Ivy League universities look for all-roundedness of a spectacular magnitude. TBH being in SC+another CCA+good results is hardly anything to rave about. Be happy that you 'succeeded', yes. But don't go around shouting about it. If you've done 3 Maths Olmypiads, setup a NGO in Siberia, lobbied for free trade at a UN conference, taught in a village in India, published and edited a local newspaper, ran a top 50 website promoting internet privacy and IPR, researched and developed the next generation of the viagra pill, and won various awards and accolades, you might be guaranteed a place at a top US uni. But then again, maybe not. It's just too unpredictable.

    I dare to say that obtaining a scholarship is easier than obtaining a place at an Ivy League uni (and i'm referring to the top ones here, i.e. HYPSM, not the 'lesser' ones like Cornell will all due respect and credibility to them) or Oxbridge. Plenty of scholarships out there for Singaporeans. If you have great results with a decent CCA record, and the ability to speak and articulate your sensible views, there's no reason why you wouldn't get a scholarship. You don't even have to be a debater to speak properly. Just don't stutter and speak like you've been willing cooped up in a cocoon your entire life. I'm being perfectly serious here.

    Alright, let the flame war begin.
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    A counterargument you seek? Sure! One answer: statistics.

    Okay TBH i don't have any real statistics, except for RL experience and interaction with a ton of people who have both received and been turned down by scholarship organisations and agencies.

    Let me just say that as far as universities are concerned, being in SC+another CCA+good results DOES NOT GUARANTEE YOU a place at a top university a la Ivy League + Oxbridge. FAR FROM IT. Oxbridge demands pure intellectual brilliance and couldn't really care if you helped a million people in Ghana. It helps but is hardly essential. Ivy League universities look for all-roundedness of a spectacular magnitude. TBH being in SC+another CCA+good results is hardly anything to rave about. Be happy that you 'succeeded', yes. But don't go around shouting about it. If you've done 3 Maths Olmypiads, setup a NGO in Siberia, lobbied for free trade at a UN conference, taught in a village in India, published and edited a local newspaper, ran a top 50 website promoting internet privacy and IPR, researched and developed the next generation of the viagra pill, and won various awards and accolades, you might be guaranteed a place at a top US uni. But then again, maybe not. It's just too unpredictable.

    I dare to say that obtaining a scholarship is easier than obtaining a place at an Ivy League uni (and i'm referring to the top ones here, i.e. HYPSM, not the 'lesser' ones like Cornell will all due respect and credibility to them) or Oxbridge. Plenty of scholarships out there for Singaporeans. If you have great results with a decent CCA record, and the ability to speak and articulate your sensible views, there's no reason why you wouldn't get a scholarship. You don't even have to be a debater to speak properly. Just don't stutter and speak like you've been willing cooped up in a cocoon your entire life. I'm being perfectly serious here.

    Alright, let the flame war begin.
    Overkill?

    But quite accurate.

    My views, from 2 years of Sg experience -

    being in SC+another CCA+good results including s papers (in the plural)+citizen = excellent chances at one of the scholarships. But it doesn't imply the reverse... To get a good university, your personal statement, essays, references (especially), interviews, extra academic achievements (olympiads etc) count as much.
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    I think alvin has a list of Cambridge colleges which allow you to defer for 2 years. As far as I know, no Oxford college allows this. Not too sure about the other universities...
    Well. Imperial told me that they'd be happy to defer for 2 years for Male Singaporean applicants.

    For Cambridge: Pembroke, Selwyn, Christ's (apparently), Sidney Sussex.
    Best if you ask the colleges yourself.
    St Catz, Caius, Downing said no straight.
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    Trinity also said no.
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    (Original post by acezhiquan)
    Hey...

    Alvin: Thanks for the advice.. i'm doing a day hospital attachment during my helmsman week(it's a week every term set aside for enrichment programmes) and will probably be embarking on hospital attachments every holiday from this december holiday onwards. btw, i was also from SJAB, but i quit because i had to leave my sec school for VJ.

    basically i'm in the IP which means i skip o levels and take a levels directly, and for a levels i'll most probably be taking bio chem maths and econs, and i'll probably opt for higher level(H3) bio, if my mid year JC1 results are good.

    My friends and i were discussing whether SC accompanied with one good cca and good results and basically a ticket to scholarships and good universities. I said yes, if you look at RJ and VJ and HC SC, like a whole truckload of them would get the best scholarships/ or enter the good overseas unis. Is there any counterargument for this?
    I went for a super long attachment last time, about half a year i think. Every weekend I'll pop over to NUH A&E and sit in the staff lounge and drink 20c coffee :P Was also from SJAB (wretched cca).

    Don't do Bio S Papers (H3) if you're not prepared to get an Ungraded because many of my friends, brilliant as they may be, got a U for bio S. It's something you do because you love biology, not cause of the grades.

    Yeh, to the last point. It's not a guarantee though, it just means that you have a damn good chance. Though I think scholarships are more of a leash than anything. Very irritating affairs. Same with my bloody MOH bond.
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    Trinity also said no.
    I didn't bother. Too hard :P meh.
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    (Original post by soonalvin)
    I didn't bother. Too hard :P meh.
    One of my friends got a conditional offer of 1,2 in Step 2,3 from trinity for maths... he requested for deferment bt the college said he would have to reapply
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    Hey thanks for all the replies!.

    to all: haha.. i counterargument i sought. and a counterargument i got!. I guess you're right...But i'll have to say that UK admissions are slightly more objective and less random than US admissions from what i notice..

    For Oxbridge applications.. Is it better to have a open application and let them decide for you.. or is it better to choose a college yourself and apply?. Which one generally gives you a better chance of admission? I've seen some views on both sides so i'm not so sure.

    What are the odds of getting into cambridge medicine/ imperial medicine for Singaporeans?..i don't think there are exact figures...but there should be a rough estimate... haha.. it's also funny/amusing/good that most of the Singaporeans i've met here SO FAR(lol. qualifying) have offers to top unis... i just see like cambridge/oxford/LSE/imperial popping up
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    (Original post by acezhiquan)
    Hey thanks for all the replies!.

    to all: haha.. i counterargument i sought. and a counterargument i got!. I guess you're right...But i'll have to say that UK admissions are slightly more objective and less random than US admissions from what i notice..

    For Oxbridge applications.. Is it better to have a open application and let them decide for you.. or is it better to choose a college yourself and apply?. Which one generally gives you a better chance of admission? I've seen some views on both sides so i'm not so sure.

    What are the odds of getting into cambridge medicine/ imperial medicine for Singaporeans?..i don't think there are exact figures...but there should be a rough estimate... haha.. it's also funny/amusing/good that most of the Singaporeans i've met here SO FAR(lol. qualifying) have offers to top unis... i just see like cambridge/oxford/LSE/imperial popping up
    Ah. That's the issue with sampling. Like you go onto Orchard Road and talk to people about Premarital sex. Who are you going to get? Only people who are liberal and feel comfortable talking about it. You aren't going to hear much conservative views. Hence your results are going to be skewed. Similarly here, only the successful applicants roam around TSR, or people (like me) who got in but can't go.

    Yeah, i think Oxbridge is easier to get in than the Ivies simply because they're looking for raw grey matter, rather than whether you're the next Messiah or whether you love hugging trees etc etc.

    If you're looking for a 2 year deferment, don't do open cos' they might put you in some weird college that disallows it. And talk to the tutor during the interview. Best if you can go to UK for it, if not the Singapore Interviews would do just fine.
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    Cambridge medicine has a quota of seven a year from Singapore if I'm not wrong. Your odds depend on how many people apply a year, because there was an inordinate amount of people applying for Cambridge medicine this year. Imperial medicine depends on the interview, so I'm hazarding a guess that if you actually do go over to the UK for interview, you may have a better chance.

    Open or not, you will get in if you are good enough; don't let that trouble you too much.

    That said, if you get into NUS medicine, it might be worth staying in Singapore unless you really need the overseas experience. Medicine is a very sheltered industry in Singapore and you really can't go wrong (if you want to work in Singapore). A Cambridge/Imperial degree won't get you that many more opportunities compared to say, if you have a Wharton Economics degree vs. an SMU Economics degree.
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    And if you don't want to stay?
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    (Original post by acezhiquan)
    Hey thanks for all the replies!.

    to all: haha.. i counterargument i sought. and a counterargument i got!. I guess you're right...But i'll have to say that UK admissions are slightly more objective and less random than US admissions from what i notice..

    For Oxbridge applications.. Is it better to have a open application and let them decide for you.. or is it better to choose a college yourself and apply?. Which one generally gives you a better chance of admission? I've seen some views on both sides so i'm not so sure.
    I would say that UK admissions are more academic (and especially A levels) based than US ones. Or, lets just say that AAAA prediction will open more doors in good UK univs than US.

    By rights, it should make no difference which college you choose to, if at all, and if you don't have time to do any research applying as open wouldn't be a bad idea. However, if you have time then a little bit of research will show you the differences in colleges and which one is more suited to you (one of my friends is researching into which college has the best choir. incidentally that's the guy who got into trinity for maths but has been asked to reapply after ns.). After all, you'll be spending 3-4 yrs (or more, if its medicine) in a college and you would want to go one that suits you.

    Like, for eg, you might like modern buildings rather than the old English ones, and a new college might suit you. Or, you might want to go to a large college so there's more people in close quarters, or a small one. Maybe you would just prefer to stay at the heart of the whole place.

    Admissions wise, they claim that if you're of standard then you'll be chosen regardless of the college you opt for. However, you must also keep in mind that most of the brainiest ppl will opt for the top colleges.
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    (Original post by soonalvin)
    And if you don't want to stay?
    Then, to plagarise the Australian tourism advertisment...where the bloody hell [should you be]?

    By the way, I heard that the Loke Cheng Kim foundation scholarship (bond-free) will sponsor medicine. There is also the Jardine Cambridge-Oxford scholarships, though these are arguably as competitive as PSC, if not more.

    By the way, it may help to know where your interviewers are from, because there's some degree of inter-college politics. From what I see, certain colleges are more inclined to accept Singaporean applicants eg. Christ and Queens. The professor in charge of Singapore applications (Dr Bowkett I think) is from Christ, and I remember that my interviewer was from Queens.
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    Then, to plagarise the Australian tourism advertisment...where the bloody hell [should you be]?

    By the way, I heard that the Loke Cheng Kim foundation scholarship (bond-free) will sponsor medicine. There is also the Jardine Cambridge-Oxford scholarships, though these are arguably as competitive as PSC, if not more.

    By the way, it may help to know where your interviewers are from, because there's some degree of inter-college politics. From what I see, certain colleges are more inclined to accept Singaporean applicants eg. Christ and Queens. The professor in charge of Singapore applications (Dr Bowkett I think) is from Christ, and I remember that my interviewer was from Queens.
    Haha, I'm past all of that already. And these scholarships are harder to get than PSC, for the simple fact that they're bond free. My interviewer was incidentally my college's Admission Tutor. So it's a good coincidence as she did not have to speak on the behalf of anyone else.
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    Hey.. thanks for the replies! appreciate it.
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    (Original post by acezhiquan)
    Hey.. thanks for the replies! appreciate it.
    Now it's payment time. :yo-less:

    I expect to see $1000 credited into my bank account by 0700h tomorrow morning!
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    (Original post by acezhiquan)
    Hey thanks for all the replies!.

    to all: haha.. i counterargument i sought. and a counterargument i got!. I guess you're right...But i'll have to say that UK admissions are slightly more objective and less random than US admissions from what i notice..

    For Oxbridge applications.. Is it better to have a open application and let them decide for you.. or is it better to choose a college yourself and apply?. Which one generally gives you a better chance of admission? I've seen some views on both sides so i'm not so sure.

    What are the odds of getting into cambridge medicine/ imperial medicine for Singaporeans?..i don't think there are exact figures...but there should be a rough estimate... haha.. it's also funny/amusing/good that most of the Singaporeans i've met here SO FAR(lol. qualifying) have offers to top unis... i just see like cambridge/oxford/LSE/imperial popping up
    You are right about saying that Oxbridge is more objective than their Ivy League counterparts -- they know what they're looking for.

    I advise most people to make an open application first, unless they're absolutely in love with a specific college already. Most aren't since they haven't stepped afoot on the grounds of Oxbridge. If you fail to get in the first time around with an open app (because you got screwed by being pooled into a competitive college, for example), reapply directly to a college the following application cycle.

    Cambridge and Imperial med are definitely not easy to get into. NUS med is arguably easier, but don't quote me on this. I just feel that as a local, you really have a better idea if you'll be given an offer for NUS med. Maybe I'm just psychic.

    And finally, let me say this: If you can afford to go without a scholarship (for whatever subject/course, DO IT. A scholarship just isn't worth it, and not forgetting to mention the moral reasons of preventing someone else equally deserving yet financially incapable from receiving the scholarship. Even if you're 100% certain that you want to work with the organisation... why? Because I put it to you that you won't as soon as you head to the UK. Opportunities there are vast, and incredible. What you've heard of here is just the tip of the iceberg.

    *braces*
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    Now it's payment time. :yo-less:

    I expect to see $1000 credited into my bank account by 0700h tomorrow morning!
    :eek: ! i'm not earning money yet! lol
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    Sigh. And I'm stuck here. On this little red dot. Holding a little red book.
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    (Original post by soonalvin)
    Sigh. And I'm stuck here. On this little red dot. Holding a little red book.
    And what does that book happen to be?

    PlayBoy? ^o)
 
 
 
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