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    (Original post by 41b)
    What next? People for the Ethical Treatment of Europa's Fish?
    animals deserve human rights we are no better.

    I wish these sense-illiterate types could be sent on the first colony ship to Alpha Centauri to try out their ideas, without any support from us vile Earth Supremacists.
    thats the problem with you people of the right persuasion! so little tolerance for people who disagree with you and thinking that money is the only thing that matters.

    [qoute]Have you heard of recycling? We are more likely to ascend into beings of pure energy than run of resources. And we probably will ascend into beings of pure energy before we run out resources. Enjoy living in the mud huts and eating each other during lean times. [/QUOTE]given thermo-dynamics and the finite universe we will definitely run out. It is a 100% certainty.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Ummm, you don't bring them back to earth, you mine them where they are, or change their orbit to a more convenient one, and then bring what you mine back. On the larger ones you literally just bring back the processed goods, or at least partly processed. In essence, you set up the whole mine and processing facility in space, or at least when done on a large scale
    :eek:but I'm still unsure how you move them without massive solar sails seeing as there is nothing to push against in space.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    yes mining the moon is posible but can you imagine the uproar it'd create. And asteroids are much more difficult and you couldn't really use rovers to mine an asteroid with significant yield.
    a universal income is a really good idea not only does it increase happiness and productivity but it also encourages people to take a wider part in society and would likely result in less petty crime.

    well no we won't have more Islamic extremists because these people will have held these veiws either way but we will actually know who they are which is good right?
    But I can't defend scrapping trident.

    i don't think money is everything and I can't see why you think they are worse then UKIP. Plus I think social mobility will be better under a green government with the wealth gap reduced.
    Mining on the moon would create hardly any uproar. Why would anyone care about that? I didn't know there were an lunar conservationists around.

    A universal income might create happiness but happiness does not mean it's sustainable. That's the sort of budgetary irresponsibility that the Greens would take with them if they got into power. The productivity increase might be there but there is no way it would be the amount that would be needed to cover the shortfall of how much it would cost and how much they could fund. The decrease in crime would again be minimal at best and would hardly save money to cover the costs of it's implementation. There are of course risks like inflation also with giving everything money like that.

    Perhaps it's a good thing to know who they are but the point is is that there would be a lack of resources of dealing with them (monitoring them etc). You'd be giving them a platform to co-operate more easily and most likely perpetrating an attack.

    Money isn't everything but at the end of the day we live in a global society and money is the medium in which most things are obtained. We can't just ignore money, we have to live under the boundaries set about by it.



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    (Original post by Aph)
    :eek:but I'm still unsure how you move them without massive solar sails seeing as there is nothing to push against in space.
    With Newton's third law of motion? The same way everything else is moved by us in space...
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    Mining on the moon would create hardly any uproar. Why would anyone care about that? I didn't know there were an lunar conservationists around.
    no but to sudenly change the lunar landscape like that. Plus world governments would go to war over lunar teretory.

    A universal income might create happiness but happiness does not mean it's sustainable. That's the sort of budgetary irresponsibility that the Greens would take with them if they got into power. The productivity increase might be there but there is no way it would be the amount that would be needed to cover the shortfall of how much it would cost and how much they could fund. The decrease in crime would again be minimal at best and would hardly save money to cover the costs of it's implementation. There are of course risks like inflation also with giving everything money like that.
    the implementation costs could easily be covered by the savings from means testing we currently do. And I'd look at the fully costed version later. I'm sure no party leader knows everything happening in their party.

    Perhaps it's a good thing to know who they are but the point is is that there would be a lack of resources of dealing with them (monitoring them etc). You'd be giving them a platform to co-operate more easily and most likely perpetrating an attack.
    i don't understand why you think by making it legal to join such organisations more people are suddenly going to become Islamic terrorists? If anything it weakens their position because one of their biggest lines right now is that the west 'don't accept them' so if we get rid of that bit of propergander Islam becomes less of an issue. Pease and tolerance are always the answers.

    Money isn't everything but at the end of the day we live in a global society and money is the medium in which most things are obtained. We can't just ignore money, we have to live under the boundaries set about by it
    or we can lead the way to a moneyless global society.
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    Mining on the moon would create hardly any uproar. Why would anyone care about that? I didn't know there were an lunar conservationists around.
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    You are totally wrong on that count! Just think about the incredible opposition about mining or resource exploitation in the relatively unspoilt Arctic or Antarctic. Do you genuinely think that people are going to be happy with the totally unspoiled moon? I don't see any reason why anyone should be allowed to mine on the moon. It doesn't belong to anyone, nobody has that right to give away. We can't even look after our own planet, god save us if we start industrialising other celestial bodies.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    With Newton's third law of motion? The same way everything else is moved by us in space...
    Ok, maybe I'm really stupid here but if you are pushing against nothing there is no action?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    animals deserve human rights we are no better.

    thats the problem with you people of the right persuasion! so little tolerance for people who disagree with you and thinking that money is the only thing that matters.

    [qoute]Have you heard of recycling? We are more likely to ascend into beings of pure energy than run of resources. And we probably will ascend into beings of pure energy before we run out resources. Enjoy living in the mud huts and eating each other during lean times.
    given thermo-dynamics and the finite universe we will definitely run out. It is a 100% certainty.[/QUOTE]

    Really? How many duck inventors do you know? Dog chemists? Frog scientists?

    We could send you to Alpha centauri with a female monkey for you to repopulate with. Problem solved.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Ok, maybe I'm really stupid here but if you are pushing against nothing there is no action?
    You don't have to push against anything
    You are accelerating something with mass in a direction, therefore there is a force

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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    You are totally wrong on that count! Just think about the incredible opposition about mining or resource exploitation in the relatively unspoilt Arctic or Antarctic. Do you genuinely think that people are going to be happy with the totally unspoiled moon? I don't see any reason why anyone should be allowed to mine on the moon. It doesn't belong to anyone, nobody has that right to give away. We can't even look after our own planet, god save us if we start industrialising other celestial bodies.
    Yes. Save the moon! All that barren, grey rock with huge amounts of helium 3 that could end the idea of energy limits altogether! Look how beautiful and grey it is! Stay off OUR moon! IT IS SOCIALIST, I MEAN SOCIAL, PROPERTY!!!:mad:

    PS. GLORY TO THE LUNARTARIAT!
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    no but to sudenly change the lunar landscape like that. Plus world governments would go to war over lunar teretory.

    the implementation costs could easily be covered by the savings from means testing we currently do. And I'd look at the fully costed version later. I'm sure no party leader knows everything happening in their party.

    i don't understand why you think by making it legal to join such organisations more people are suddenly going to become Islamic terrorists? If anything it weakens their position because one of their biggest lines right now is that the west 'don't accept them' so if we get rid of that bit of propergander Islam becomes less of an issue. Pease and tolerance are always the answers.

    or we can lead the way to a moneyless global society.
    The moon's landscape would hardly change, I don't see the furore about it. The select few people who would care would be those who live on the moon (which no one does) and the astronomers.

    Aph we are talking about over £140bn. Means testing won't cover that and would still have to be done on people with disabilities, regardless if you think that's moral or not. I think Bennett should have known some inkling of how she was going to fund her key policy and this idea that it doesn't matter is scary.. Having someone who can't manage a budget on a national scary can only be a bad thing?

    With regards to Islamic terrorism it will give a medium to any Islamic extremist to go and meet other Islamic extremists and I have no doubt they will discuss terrorism and be inspired to do hideous acts. Not to mention the public anger when they realise that the government is giving Al-Qaeda any sort of airtime or significance in the UK. And no, I don't buy into their big line that "the west don't accept them", there are many Muslims in the Uk who are fine here and they have (mostly) integrated well on the whole. The murder of Lee Rigby was done in protest against intervention in Iraq/Afghan and the same in Paris. I, for one, don't want fear instilled anywhere more in the Uk with regards to terrorism and think the Greens have went on too many fruit-loops to see any negatives to what they would be doing.

    I would love to see proposals for a moneyless global society.


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    The main policies from Natalie Bennett herself:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn8RIXOBE

    How anyone can vote Green after watching this I do not know...
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You don't have to push against anything
    You are accelerating something with mass in a direction, therefore there is a force

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    Really? How many duck inventors do you know? Dog chemists? Frog scientists?

    We could send you to Alpha centauri with a female monkey for you to repopulate with. Problem solved.
    what on earth are you on about?!
    Oh and I'd rather you not send me up with you you can't just send away anyone you dislike.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    You are totally wrong on that count! Just think about the incredible opposition about mining or resource exploitation in the relatively unspoilt Arctic or Antarctic. Do you genuinely think that people are going to be happy with the totally unspoiled moon? I don't see any reason why anyone should be allowed to mine on the moon. It doesn't belong to anyone, nobody has that right to give away. We can't even look after our own planet, god save us if we start industrialising other celestial bodies.
    Ok, but the Arctic has polar bears, Antartica has penguins, and the moon has?

    Not to mention hardly anyone has even properly examined the moon, let alone walk on it. If sights such an issue I suppose we could always mine on the side which is permanently away from the sight of the Earth?

    Your point is quite clear. "No one owns the moon". Who are you to say someone can't have it as much as someone saying they can?





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    (Original post by 41b)
    Yes. Save the moon! All that barren, grey rock with huge amounts of helium 3 that could end the idea of energy limits altogether! Look how beautiful and grey it is! Stay off OUR moon! IT IS SOCIALIST, I MEAN SOCIAL, PROPERTY!!!:mad:

    PS. GLORY TO THE LUNARTARIAT!
    Why should a corporation be allowed to mine on the moon? Who gives it the authority to mine there? The moon is completely unspoiled and it's a scientific treasure chest. On absolutely no accounts should we be allowed to wreck it, just like any other celestial body. Any kind of mass industrial activity on the moon would be absolutely catastrophic. I don't understand why you care so little about stuff. Why are you happy for individuals to exploit resources that they have no right to?
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    (Original post by Coombsy)
    The main policies from Natalie Bennett herself:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn8RIXOBE

    How anyone can vote Green after watching this I do not know...
    Exactly.

    This beings me into my next reason for disliking the Green Party - they have just as bad politicians that don't answer questions. Not to mention how they are using what genitalia someone has between their legs as political fodder.


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    (Original post by MrJAKEE)
    Ok, but the Arctic has polar bears, Antartica has penguins, and the moon has?

    Not to mention hardly anyone has even properly examined the moon, let alone walk on it. If sights such an issue I suppose we could always mine on the side which is permanently away from the sight of the Earth?

    Your point is quite clear. "No one owns the moon". Who are you to say someone can't have it as much as someone saying they can?
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    It's not about aesthetics, it's got nothing to do with wanting eye candy. The moon is a completely pristine environment. If humans start mining there, it's going to destroy the landscape. I don't know what incredibly low opinion you have of your species but I'd rather not belong to a human race that thinks it's entitled to go around destroying whatever resources it can get its hand off. That makes us no better than a virus, exploiting its host until it's no longer useful and then leaving a wreck behind.

    Nobody has the authority to give out that right in the first place. The universe does not belong to humans. Even if you think it does, the decision as to whether or not to mine the moon should be a decision democratically taken by the entire of humanity - and for the benefit of humanity. It is not a decision to be made by a board of directors for the benefit of their shareholders and their own bonuses. Once again, why do you have so little respect for your own species and the universe you live in? Why don't you care?
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    Any kind of mass industrial activity on the moon would be absolutely catastrophic.
    Explain his please.


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    Explain his please.
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    It would destroy and contaminate the surface of the moon, both physically and chemically.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    It would destroy and contaminate the surface of the moon, both physically and chemically.
    And that is bad because? ...


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