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    (Original post by Attempt)
    "Islam has a proud tradition of peace and tolerance" - Barack HUSSEIN Obama
    i call bullsh*t
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    http://www.wftv.com/news/local/irani...ford/185803158

    It's worrying that the article states he was "well received".
    There are crazy people everywhere. Why don't people talk about the kind of things Christian doctors in Africa do to homosexuals? They just focus on Muslims
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    Homophobia exists in one species and one species only.
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    Ok well i see the law has changed since i last looked but it doesnt change the fact that if homosexuals have sex with eacother they have to wait 12 months before being allowed to donate blood.
    That alone should make Alarm bells ring
    Straight people who have had sex with a haemophiliac also need to wait 12 months.
    More alarm bells?

    After all, haemophiliacs are the way that Allah made them, so why is it the same as homosexuality?
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    But just try and be open minded to other peoples views and ask questions rather than always being on the defensive and quick to be outraged
    Spread your words to Islams' brothers and sisters. You know, the latent ones who go on to murder others for perceived insults to Mohammad, or those who blow up women and children because they want the world to 'submit'. Start with the Imams and by expunging the endemic bigotry within the Qur'an.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Sorry but, you don't know how long I've been a Muslim
    Your brothers on ISOC were referring to you as a "recent convert", that's all.

    or how much I know.
    That much is apparent from your comments.

    Don't try to talk down to me, as I've seen you do with most Muslims on this site.
    I just talk. If you feel that it is "down", that's your issue, not mine.

    I don't do "cherry-picking" and I don't need you to teach me my religion
    Well, it would appear that you do, because you make doctrinal errors in your comments (that I noticed that you failed to respond to, rather preferring to use ad hominems).

    So, do you unambiguously condemn slavery (the owning of another human as property), or do you accept it? It can only be one or the other.
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    (Original post by I_Mir)
    There are crazy people everywhere. Why don't people talk about the kind of things Christian doctors in Africa do to homosexuals? They just focus on Muslims
    I see your point but I think its because this has happened here. If it was in somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Iran, it's not going to be in the news - their laws make it a given.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Sorry but, you don't know how long I've been a Muslim or how much I know. Don't try to talk down to me, as I've seen you do with most Muslims on this site. I don't do "cherry-picking" and I don't need you to teach me my religion
    You converted in late June last year, according to your own posts. So, seeing as you don't cherry-pick, shall we assume that you don't condemn slavery?
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    Theres just certain things that you lot encourage and condone that i just cant get my head around and i like most will never agree with.
    So, all Muslims are terrorists then? :confused:

    Anyway if you think its cool for mano y mano to be engaging in such acts then to each their own innit.
    I cant change that.
    No one can. Because it's the way Allah made them.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    Why you are so concerned about the gender of two lovers is beyond me, like it's so insignificant to everything. As long as they love each other, aren't harming anybody, and are happy, what is the bloody issue?
    This is an issue that is unique to Islam.
    Because, the Quran is the actual, timeless, universal, perfect and unchangable word of god (not some kind of metaphor or allegory, but the actual words that he dictated), and the example of Muhammad is the best moral and practical example for all humanity to follow (again, literally), then whatever they contain cannot be contextualised or revised - unlike with Christianity.
    Therefore, homosexuality must be bad because da book sez. And da book cannot be wrong, even one word. Therefore, any argument in support of homosexuality must be wrong. Because homosexuality must be wrong. Because Allah and Muhammad can't be wrong.

    The authors of Islam made a rod for its own back by making such claims about its nature, without thinking through the practical consequences, and modern, liberal Muslims are left to struggle with the moral morass that ensues. In the same way that it is rare for a Muslim to unequivocally condemn slavery in any form - simply because it is permitted in the Quran, and to condemn it would be to imply that the Quran was in error, and this admission would show that it was not of divine origin - by its own standards.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    The news?
    LOOOL So you rely on the media now??
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    (Original post by *Alisha*)
    LOOOL So you rely on the media now??
    And what you rely on? "One old lady said"? :cool:
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    (Original post by admonit)
    And what you rely on? "One old lady said"? :cool:
    The truth, he could have got that from Fox News. It's stupid that people make a small thing into something big.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So, all Muslims are terrorists then? :confused:

    No one can. Because it's the way Allah made them.
    Yes we are.
    we all want to blow you up,and impose a no bacon policy on you alll
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    I don't think people in my culture are all right and I am very open minded but there just isn't a discussion to be had mate - it isn't wrong. You can wrap it up in so many ways and it always comes down to prejudice at the end of the day. Why you are so concerned about the gender of two lovers is beyond me, like it's so insignificant to everything. As long as they love each other, aren't harming anybody, and are happy, what is the bloody issue?

    To be honest, the fact you have the audacity to allude to the assumption you are more "open minded" is shocking - if you were open minded, you wouldn't speak so badly about it for one thing, and you quite clearly will not accept being challenged. You are wrong. Have your beliefs but they are steeped in misunderstanding and ignorance.

    The West had progressed - the middle east murders citizens for who they love; have fought wars for centuries because of who prays one way and who prays another. It's pathetic. If you'd argue that is progress, I'm dying.

    Moreover, I am NOT baffled by the beliefs of your culture. I understand why they exist. They just infuriate me.
    With all due respect you dont know what you are talking about.
    Believe it or not its rare for someone to get killed in the middle east for being gay so you have to understand what you are talking about.
    And do you wanna talk about the west and wars??? lol.
    Like i said try and be open minded about things and ask questions and stop being so ignorant.
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    With all due respect you dont know what you are talking about.
    Believe it or not its rare for someone to get killed in the middle east for being gay so you have to understand what you are talking about.
    And do you wanna talk about the west and wars??? lol.
    Like i said try and be open minded about things and ask questions and stop being so ignorant.
    It is a fact that islamic culture oppresses women, gays and many other people such as non muslims
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    It is a fact that islamic culture oppresses women, gays and many other people such as non muslims
    There is no one islamic culture but gays yes we oppress them.
    Women not so much.
    We just tell it how it is.
    Men and women in general are not equal and if you compare a man to a woman men will more often come out on top thats why we have DIFFERENT rules. Because thats what we are we are different.
    We dont do political correctness.
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    We dont all oprress non muslims.
    While we do have our problems Theres plenty of countries where for the most part non muslims and muslims livee in harmony.
    Dont buy into the dailymail hype.
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    With all due respect you dont know what you are talking about.
    Believe it or not its rare for someone to get killed in the middle east for being gay so you have to understand what you are talking about.
    And do you wanna talk about the west and wars??? lol.
    Like i said try and be open minded about things and ask questions and stop being so ignorant.
    I know enough. And I won't believe you - statistics say otherwise:

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    And ultimately, rare or not - nobody should be corporally punished or executed for liking the same biological sex as themselves. This is backwards. You honestly feel that threatened by gay men and women loving a same-sex partner? That's more ignorant and pathetic than you will ever know. Moreover, it isn't just about execution. Citizens of the Middle East cannot be openly gay and love the person they love because they face serious discrimination and persecution - how that is right you will never be able to answer justly.

    By all means, go into the West's wars. At least the West has progressed since the Crusades whilst the Middle East has stayed very much the same. And to be honest, at lest the West goes to war for reasons other than being offended abot the way another faith works or the way other members of the same faith choose to worship.

    I'm not ignorant an resent being called so. Move away from that cheap line - just because you have no argument. It's such a joke that you talk of ignorance then reject all of the scientific progress that has been made which looks at the nature of homosexuaity simply because of how you feel - that is true ignorance.
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    There is no one islamic culture but gays yes we oppress them.
    Women not so much.
    We just tell it how it is.
    Men and women in general are not equal and if you compare a man to a woman men will more often come out on top thats why we have DIFFERENT rules. Because thats what we are we are different.
    We dont do political correctness.
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    We dont all oprress non muslims.
    While we do have our problems Theres plenty of countries where for the most part non muslims and muslims livee in harmony.
    Dont buy into the dailymail hype.
    No, men come out on top because it's only ever been possible for that gender to do so. Furthermore, you do not tell people how it is - you tell them your beliefs and force everyone into uniformity, which is again an example of being ignorant.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    I know enough. And I won't believe you - statistics say otherwise:

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    And ultimately, rare or not - nobody should be corporally punished or executed for liking the same biological sex as themselves. This is backwards. You honestly feel that threatened by gay men and women loving a same-sex partner? That's more ignorant and pathetic than you will ever know. Moreover, it isn't just about execution. Citizens of the Middle East cannot be openly gay and love the person they love because they face serious discrimination and persecution - how that is right you will never be able to answer justly.

    By all means, go into the West's wars. At least the West has progressed since the Crusades whilst the Middle East has stayed very much the same. And to be honest, at lest the West goes to war for reasons other than being offended abot the way another faith works or the way other members of the same faith choose to worship.

    I'm not ignorant an resent being called so. Move away from that cheap line - just because you have no argument. It's such a joke that you talk of ignorance then reject all of the scientific progress that has been made which looks at the nature of homosexuaity simply because of how you feel - that is true ignorance.

    You are quoting WIKIPEDIA ffs.
    See what i mean.
    Im done arguing with you.
    I just cant do it,
 
 
 
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