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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    How on earth can you justify increasing to £13000?

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    Given financial years it's only a £1400 increase.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Given financial years it's only a £1400 increase.
    But can that increase be justified?

    Also, its nice to see that nothings been learned since the last parliament and the £140bn deficit

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Given financial years it's only a £1400 increase.
    Lime-man ^

    Also, you justified £12,500. We've said at least £13,000 but we'll be looking at it in more depth to see if we can raise it further if we get into Government
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I'm English, but live (and vote) in Wales.

    Dw i'n siarad Cymraeg hefyd.
    Ooh, I love the Welsh language.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    But can that increase be justified?

    Also, its nice to see that nothings been learned since the last parliament and the £140bn deficit

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    You mean the one you left us with?
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Lime-man ^

    Also, you justified £12,500. We've said at least £13,000 but we'll be looking at it in more depth to see if we can raise it further if we get into Government
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    You mean the one you left us with?
    Oh okay. Because you didnt support the budget.

    At any rate, ive at least learnt from its failings and it seems you and labour haven't.

    £12500 is one thing, but how can you justify £13000? Maybe you have more policies but im sure that if you costed them wed be looking at a £250bn deficit or worse.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Oh okay. Because you didnt support the budget.

    At any rate, ive at least learnt from its failings and it seems you and labour haven't.

    £12500 is one thing, but how can you justify £13000? Maybe you have more policies but im sure that if you costed them wed be looking at a £250bn deficit or worse.

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    Supported it because I trusted the costings you were too inept to get right. If you'd sucked it up and make it clear you weren't up to it, then it would have been fine. Instead you wrote a shoddy budget, walked off, and left us to deal with the fallout. You'll also note I voted AGAINST the Finance Bill, mostly due to the costings and deficit you left us.

    You of all people can't criticise my party's, or even the last government's economic policy
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    But can that increase be justified?

    Also, its nice to see that nothings been learned since the last parliament and the £140bn deficit

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    £100bn


    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Oh okay. Because you didnt support the budget.

    At any rate, ive at least learnt from its failings and it seems you and labour haven't.

    £12500 is one thing, but how can you justify £13000? Maybe you have more policies but im sure that if you costed them wed be looking at a £250bn deficit or worse.

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    I guess that's something for me to do when I hand in my dissertation draft next week: try to cost the manifestos where possible, even if it is too late for the election, there is one manifesto that I do know the costing for, however.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    £100bn




    I guess that's something for me to do when I hand in my dissertation draft next week: try to cost the manifestos where possible, even if it is too late for the election, there is one manifesto that I do know the costing for, however.
    In all fairness, it's not like the manifestos are the only thing we'll do in Government
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Voted for because I trusted the costings you were too inept to get right. If you'd sucked it up and make it clear you weren't up to it, then it would have been fine. Instead you wrote a shoddy budget, walked off, and left us to deal with the fallout.

    You of all people can't criticise my party's, or even the last government's economic policy
    Actually i didnt walk off and leave you to deal with the fallout. Thats just a flatout lie.

    And lets remibd ourselves of how fiscally responsible you had been. Whenever i wanted to raise a single tax to pay for the increased spending, what happened?

    Dont go on like the bidget was a solo effort so you pass the buck on to me. If i had my way thw deficit would have been nuch smaller.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Actually i didnt walk off and leave you to deal with the fallout. Thats just a flatout lie.

    And lets remibd ourselves of how fiscally responsible you had been. Whenever i wanted to raise a single tax to pay for the increased spending, what happened?

    Dont go on like the bidget was a solo effort so you pass the buck on to me. If i had my way thw deficit would have been nuch smaller.

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    We saw you trying to make the official deficit figure far smaller than the actual deficit figure.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    We saw you trying to make the official deficit figure far smaller than the actual deficit figure.
    It wasnt done on purpose. I costed it to the best of abilities and thought thered be a smallish deficit. If I'd been able to raise the taxes that i wanted to back then there would have been a smaller deficit. Those were blocked by the liberal party so when he tries to make out that the budget was solely on me its simply untrue.

    The issue that im having here is that the liberals manifesto contains nil but spending increases and tax cuts. Like, tax and spend is okay as long as you make sure you're taxing. It seems that they've learnt absolutely nothing. Cut spending and cut taxing or increase taxes and increase spending, theres not really another option

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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    If only you could see what I can see.
    Exciting stuff!
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    Exciting stuff!
    Indeed.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    I

    The issue that im having here is that the liberals manifesto contains nil but spending increases and tax cuts. Like, tax and spend is okay as long as you make sure you're taxing. It seems that they've learnt absolutely nothing. Cut spending and cut taxing or increase taxes and increase spending, theres not really another option

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    The Green manifesto recognises that there needs to be a greater share of tax paid by the wealthy, hence the extra council tax bands. More income tax and VAT from the higher minimum wage for most of the under 25s too. More UK jobs in renewable energy for publicly owned buildings too.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    The Green manifesto recognises that there needs to be a greater share of tax paid by the wealthy, hence the extra council tax bands. More income tax and VAT from the higher minimum wage for most of the under 25s too. More UK jobs in renewable energy for publicly owned buildings too.
    So the 1% paying about a third of income tax isn't good enough? Nor the 0.1% paying nearly a sixth and those earning over £1m p/a an eight?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So the 1% paying about a third of income tax isn't good enough? Nor the 0.1% paying nearly a sixth and those earning over £1m p/a an eight?
    It's not just the 1% our plan is about. Council tax is paid by those who are non-coms, non-UK residents and all who have houses needing local services.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So the 1% paying about a third of income tax isn't good enough? Nor the 0.1% paying nearly a sixth and those earning over £1m p/a an eight?
    Let us not forget that the wealthy wouldn't pay such a large proportion of taxes if wealth was more evenly distributed in the first place...
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    (Original post by cBay)
    Let us not forget that the wealthy wouldn't pay such a large proportion of taxes if wealth was more evenly distributed in the first place...
    Actually they would...

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    Disgraceful decision by Stoke Gifford Parish Council to charge those who organise the 5km run that takes place once a week. Such a charge should not be made if such an event is run by a voluntary non-profit group.
 
 
 
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