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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    Well, technically it isn't a pay rise if business is doing better. And if the rich have disposable wealth, greater economic benefits for the poor are allowed.
    Yes but too many rich people dont use there wealth but keep it lining their pockets. Also if. The business does better more money should go to the workers who spend more then the business gets more money and it goes on in a cycle.
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    1. Private Schools must be abolished to ensure equal opportunities as no one should be deprived based on their background.

    2. It's not pettyness to suggest a woman who does nothing shouldnt get paid £36 million a year not to mention the fact that overall the monarchy costs about £300 million a year.

    3. They must be controlled rather than used as a standard contract by companies such as sports direcg.
    But private schools being abolished wouldn't help social mobility, if anything it would hinder it by putting more strain on the system and forcing those from poorer backgrounds out of the good schools and more broadly the areas with the for schools.

    And why should somebody with a large estate generating large sums of money not have access to part of that money? Are you saying that Cambridge and Oxford should survive on fees and research grants alone and gift all the profits from their massive endowments to the state? That farmer bob should be paying near 100% income tax? Actually, that everybody should be paying 100% income tax?

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    (Original post by United1892)
    At least we dont use victorian style economic policy.
    Which would that be?

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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    We need a synthesis of the two. IE Blairism. And Keynsianism assumes the existence of recessions as its very basis lol.
    That is because capitalism is fundamentally flawed in tbat it will always have reccesions.
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    Which would that be?

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    Austerity, Fiscal Responsibility Act
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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    As a left winger, I sadly agree. Too many left wingers are happy to stick with socialism and standard Keysianism because it matches their intuition and sounds good, rather than actively wanting to find a way to make a left winged economy work. And it can! That's the thing, it can if we just give some ground!
    I was more thinking socially, given that a great deal of social milestones have been implemented under conservative governments, much like the republicans in the states.

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    (Original post by United1892)
    1. But we cant raise everyone up as the best teachers go to private school.

    2. Shes not worth £36 million a year. On top of that having a monarchy is medieval particularly as they posess power.

    3. If the growth of a company is based on their misuse then it mist be hindered.
    1. There is no public good in stopping the few getting more benfits than the others, unless this minimises opportunities for others. My political economy is about accepting that not everyone can live that life. So we react to that by making everyone elses lives decent, and create as much opportunity as possible for the maximum amount of people to be in that class.

    2. How is having a monarchy medieval when it existed before and after the medieval period?

    3. Misuse of what? What does this mean?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But private schools being abolished wouldn't help social mobility, if anything it would hinder it by putting more strain on the system and forcing those from poorer backgrounds out of the good schools and more broadly the areas with the for schools.

    And why should somebody with a large estate generating large sums of money not have access to part of that money? Are you saying that Cambridge and Oxford should survive on fees and research grants alone and gift all the profits from their massive endowments to the state? That farmer bob should be paying near 100% income tax? Actually, that everybody should be paying 100% income tax?

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    It would help because it would mean the more needy pupils get better teaching.

    No but when the land was paid for out of taxes in the past I dont see why its rightfully the Queens.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    Yes but too many rich people dont use there wealth but keep it lining their pockets. Also if. The business does better more money should go to the workers who spend more then the business gets more money and it goes on in a cycle.
    You can't analyse demand side in isolation of the supply side.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I was more thinking socially, given that a great deal of social milestones have been implemented under conservative governments, much like the republicans in the states.

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    The right has given more freedoms to us, the left has given us more rights.
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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    1. There is no public good in stopping the few getting more benfits than the others, unless this minimises opportunities for others. My political economy is about accepting that not everyone can live that life. So we react to that by making everyone elses lives decent, and create as much opportunity as possible for the maximum amount of people to be in that class.

    2. How is having a monarchy medieval when it existed before and after the medieval period?

    3. Misuse of what? What does this mean?
    1. To create opportunity we need the best teachers to get them private schools cant exist.

    2. Its outdated then. A monarchy has no place in democracy.

    3. Of zero hour contracts.
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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    You can't analyse demand side in isolation of the supply side.
    But if these businesses are getting more money then they should be made to invest rather than line a rich persons pocket.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    It would help because it would mean the more needy pupils get better teaching.

    No but when the land was paid for out of taxes in the past I dont see why its rightfully the Queens.
    But it really does not, you do realise that if a student is not in ornate education they are in state education? SSSI those teachers aren't suddenly free to teach the underclasses, they will still likely end up teaching the mostly wealthy because they will go to the good schools and it is expensive to live near good schools. There is a reason the state grammars are full of the middle class. There is a reason it is expensive around Cambridge. I went to a very good state six form, a massive number of the students had been privately educated up to that point, those that didn't mostly had wealthy patents, the disadvantaged were by far and away the minority.

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    (Original post by United1892)
    But if these businesses are getting more money then they should be made to invest rather than line a rich persons pocket.
    Most businesses have shareholders, a business owns nothing, everything it has it owes to the shareholders, that's why the shareholders are required to additive the board and sometimes other things too. The only duty of that business is to make money for its investors, I.e the shareholders. That's why they "line a rich person's pocket", that rich person then goes and invests that.

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    But it really does not, you do realise that if a student is not in ornate education they are in state education? SSSI those teachers aren't suddenly free to teach the underclasses, they will still likely end up teaching the mostly wealthy because they will go to the good schools and it is expensive to live near good schools. There is a reason the state grammars are full of the middle class. There is a reason it is expensive around Cambridge. I went to a very good state six form, a massive number of the students had been privately educated up to that point, those that didn't mostly had wealthy patents, the disadvantaged were by far and away the minority.

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    Using Grammar Schools would allow poorer children to get into the best schools. Also the teachers would have to go where they could get a job.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Most businesses have shareholders, a business owns nothing, everything it has it owes to the shareholders, that's why the shareholders are required to additive the board and sometimes other things too. The only duty of that business is to make money for its investors, I.e the shareholders. That's why they "line a rich person's pocket", that rich person then goes and invests that.

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    But so often the rich person dosent invest that but as I say lines their pockets. Cooperatives are the only fair business model in terms of giving a fair share of the profits and enabling investment.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    Using Grammar Schools would allow poorer children to get into the best schools. Also the teachers would have to go where they could get a job.
    Are you another one of these people that will make a statement based on what they think they know rather than what is actually so? Grammar schools do not help the poor in very significant numbers. If there is a very good school, those who can afford to move into the catchment area and price out the poor.

    Why were there so few poor at my sixth form? They couldn't afford to live there.
    Why are the grammar schools full of middle class students? The poor cannot afford to live there.
    Some people have to get the lucky ticket in the postcode lottery, others can simply buy it.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The left can call themselves progressive, but rarely make much progress

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    Well, the Conservatives were the ones telling us to 'vote for change' in 2010
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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    As a left winger, I sadly agree.
    I hate to break it to you, but....you're not a left winger. Centre right at best.
 
 
 
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