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    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    No I wouldn't bother - everyone seems to get pretty fed up by the end of second year, is a long slog so do take a nice break this summer!

    Got my OSCE feedback today, considering how I did overall was rather disappointed to have scored so average. I guess it's just a lack of practice though, still think it's pretty silly to even have a year 2 OSCE when most of the things I was examined on I've either done once or never before. Better use these next 3 years to pratice pretty hard!
    Thanks for the advice!
    Yeah I definitely agree about the whole OSCE thing, I mean I don't know anything about second year, but so far basically all we've been taught is BLS, which most people knew beforehand and how to take a BP!
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    (Original post by clarusblue)
    i refuse to believe that keele's student satisfaction is joint second lowest in the uk
    How do they even decide satisfaction? I've never filled in/ seen someone fill in a survey.
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    How do they even decide satisfaction? I've never filled in/ seen someone fill in a survey.
    The league table editors sit in a circle holding hands and meditate/sing Kumbaya.
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    (Original post by Tyraell)
    How do they even decide satisfaction? I've never filled in/ seen someone fill in a survey.
    :iiam:
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    (Original post by Tyraell)
    How do they even decide satisfaction? I've never filled in/ seen someone fill in a survey.
    It's something finalists do.

    There have been some interesting stories in the last few years about precisely how some universities (not medical schools) have 'encouraged' students to fill them in.
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    Was just having a nosey comparing websites curricula as standard - admittedly prompted by all this 'Peninsula deserves a medal' talk - and Norwich Medical School just lept off the page...

    Thanks for enlightening me. Out of interest which name do you prefer? Or does it not make a jot of difference?
    Well given that the original name was School of Medicine, Health Policy and Practice, I think our new name is much better :yep:
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    (Original post by billet-doux)
    Thanks for the advice!
    Yeah I definitely agree about the whole OSCE thing, I mean I don't know anything about second year, but so far basically all we've been taught is BLS, which most people knew beforehand and how to take a BP!
    I had a choking/BLS station - which is something I'd only had explained to me once, and never done myself before. Bit annoying that. Practice the BP though, I found a lot couldn't do it.
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    (Original post by Renal)
    It's something finalists do.

    There have been some interesting stories in the last few years about precisely how some universities (not medical schools) have 'encouraged' students to fill them in.
    I've heard some of those stories - "you don't want to go to a badly scoring medical school do you?"
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    (Original post by billet-doux)
    Thanks for the advice!
    Yeah I definitely agree about the whole OSCE thing, I mean I don't know anything about second year, but so far basically all we've been taught is BLS, which most people knew beforehand and how to take a BP!
    Did they test you on it, or just teach it?
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    (Original post by carcinoma)
    Did they test you on it, or just teach it?
    They only formally test you on practical skills etc at the end of year 2 OSCE, although they do expect you to do BLS while being 'examined' by someone else in the class, to make sure you've got the hang of it.
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    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    They only formally test you on practical skills etc at the end of year 2 OSCE, although they do expect you to do BLS while being 'examined' by someone else in the class, to make sure you've got the hang of it.
    Ouch, what comes up in the OSCE's then?
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    Ouch, what comes up in the OSCE's then?
    It's a beast of a 20 station one (bit harsh for a first one with very limited clinical practice at this point, but there you go) - can include communication skills, history taking, explaining (conditions such as diabetes/asthma, and how to use an ihaler etc.), anatomy - skeletal, organ and surface, histology and blood films, guiding the blind, taking a history from a deaf person, s/c injections/drawing up insulin, hand washing, ethics, searching medline, BLS/choking etc etc. Very varied and very strange.
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    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    It's a beast of a 20 station one (bit harsh for a first one with very limited clinical practice at this point, but there you go) - can include communication skills, history taking, explaining (conditions such as diabetes/asthma, and how to use an ihaler etc.), anatomy - skeletal, organ and surface, histology and blood films, guiding the blind, taking a history from a deaf person, s/c injections/drawing up insulin, hand washing, ethics, searching medline, BLS/choking etc etc. Very varied and very strange.
    That's similar to ours. Just we don't have to do anything involving people with deafness/blindness yet and there are no examined medline searches or s/c injections (but we had to do venepuncture on a manikin arm this year).
    Then they'll throw in random stuff like measuring prothrombin time and doing faecal occult blood tests/urinalysis (on artificial excrement/piss).
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    (Original post by Kinkerz)
    That's similar to ours. Just we don't have to do anything involving people with deafness/blindness yet and there are no examined medline searches or s/c injections (but we had to do venepuncture on a manikin arm this year).
    Then they'll throw in random stuff like measuring prothrombin time and doing faecal occult blood tests/urinalysis (on artificial excrement/piss).
    Ah, forgot about urinalysis from ours. Is there really any relevance to prothrombin time/faecal occult tests? Pre-clin OSCEs are such a bizarre exercise, failing to see the necessity.
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    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    Ah, forgot about urinalysis from ours. Is there really any relevance to prothrombin time/faecal occult tests? Pre-clin OSCEs are such a bizarre exercise, failing to see the necessity.
    We had to do a urinalysis this summer and explain the results to the patient, which I think is actually reasonable. In January we simply had to perform a faecal occult blood test, which I think was entirely pointless and shouldn't be examined. The OSSEs are an area of the Keele course that I have a problem with - it feels like we're being tested for the sake of testing us with some stuff.

    But I think the idea of preclinical OSSEs/OSCEs/ISCEs/whatever is actually decent. I'd prefer to get into my clinical years relatively comfortable with the format of an OSCE and the ways of dealing with them.
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    (Original post by billet-doux)
    Good luck
    thanks! well done on the absolute fab result!!!!!!

    (Original post by Medicine Man)
    The preclinical course here is also gradually shifting from EMQs to SBAs and computer based exams (not sure if there were ever essay questions as part of the pre-clin course) - SBAs were just suddenly introduced into second year this year and we didn't have them in year one whereas the current freshers did from day 1. They are probably easier to mark and write and that could be why they are shifting towards them. That said, I do think MCQs<EMQs<SBAs<Essays at assessing your knowledge.

    Essays are definitely a better way of assessing IMO. They do make you think a lot more rather than learning by word association which can be the case with EMQs/MCQs/SBAs. Totally agree with you on that front. That said, they are generally more stressful for students and do take a long time to mark and turn them over, so yeah, I also agree that medical schools are probably taking their finances into account which is fair enough. Whether or not they should bring essays back - erm, no. Especially if I'm still a medical student by the time they decide to. :p:
    not necessarily, we get our results back in 2 weeks or less and each write 13 (?) essays in total which is pretty efficient stuff from the examiners.
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    Our semester 4 clinical skills teaching...

    - gynaecological examination - bimanual palpation, bivalve (cusco) speculum examination, performing a cervical smear
    - examination of the groin, hernial orifices and male external genitalia
    - antenatal obstetric examination
    - examining a lump (generic)
    - examination of the breast
    - GALS assessment
    - tissue viability
    - phlebotomy (manakin)
    - first aid
    - otoscopy and hearing assessment
    - manual handling

    ...and any of those + anything from semesters 1 - 3 can come up in the OSCE next week. Very underprepared. It's as if we're expected to be doctors by the end of second year or something. Some may think that it's good that we're taught clinicals earlier on - I personally think it's a bit ambitious and excessive given our curriculum structure.
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    Our semester 4 clinical skills teaching...

    - gynaecological examination - bimanual palpation, bivalve (cusco) speculum examination, performing a cervical smear
    - examination of the groin, hernial orifices and male external genitalia
    - antenatal obstetric examination
    - examining a lump (generic)
    - examination of the breast
    - GALS assessment
    - tissue viability
    - phlebotomy (manakin)
    - first aid
    - otoscopy and hearing assessment
    - manual handling

    ...and any of those + anything from semesters 1 - 3 can come up in the OSCE next week. Very underprepared. It's as if we're expected to be doctors by the end of second year or something. Some may think that it's good that we're taught clinicals earlier on - I personally think it's a bit ambitious and excessive given our curriculum structure.
    That's insane, how do you find the time to get all that in along with basic science teaching? What concerns me is that if Oxbridge medics are to join your year 3, are they not going to be in a totally different place clinically? Can't see how that could work.
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    (Original post by Kinkerz)
    We had to do a urinalysis this summer and explain the results to the patient, which I think is actually reasonable. In January we simply had to perform a faecal occult blood test, which I think was entirely pointless and shouldn't be examined. The OSSEs are an area of the Keele course that I have a problem with - it feels like we're being tested for the sake of testing us with some stuff.

    But I think the idea of preclinical OSSEs/OSCEs/ISCEs/whatever is actually decent. I'd prefer to get into my clinical years relatively comfortable with the format of an OSCE and the ways of dealing with them.
    Yeah I'd agree with urinalysis, as that's something often done at the bedside (although when I was an HCA, I was the urine dip guy - in hindsight was that the best idea?).

    I do agree to some extent, as I think clinical years will be a massive shock if you haven't proved yourself basically competent in simple areas; and it certainly will fix up anyone who is incapable of speaking to a patient - just found ours a bit of a shock to the system. But that means my first ones next year won't be such a shock, which certainly can't be a bad thing.
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    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    That's insane, how do you find the time to get all that in along with basic science teaching? What concerns me is that if Oxbridge medics are to join your year 3, are they not going to be in a totally different place clinically? Can't see how that could work.
    From what I gather from my friends who emigrated to London, they get a solid 2-3 week 'introduction' to clinical stuff and catch most of it up during their first term there seeing as most of that stuff isn't exactly rocket science :p:
 
 
 
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