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Scotland has the resources, the knowledge and the will to be independent,however, We lack the confidence
We will only get one opportunity to vote yes.Let's seize it with both hands. I have lived long enough to see the detrimental effect the Westminster government has has on this beautiful country and its people.
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Of course it is. and she did. She refuted all his questions and he was unable to answer hers. Did you even watch it?

Why do you unionist dismiss things without even looking into them?
I already said I didn't watch it. What I'm questioning isn't what happened in the programme, but rather the point of having a televised debate at all.

I think this whole idea of 'winning' debates or trying to get one over on opponents is, I think, an American import which arose with the Carter/Ford presidential election. There is now a huge temptation to play a cheap, adversarial and overtly partisan stance. In the end, that only lowers debate to the lowest common denominator: soundbytes, false information, glossing over anything complicated and great public demonstrations of aggression. That serves no-one well.
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(Original post by Jennifer cat)
Scotland has the resources, the knowledge and the will to be independent,however, We lack the confidence
We will only get one opportunity to vote yes.Let's seize it with both hands. I have lived long enough to see the detrimental effect the Westminster government has has on this beautiful country and its people.
An incredibly emotional and poorly thought out post.

Which detrimental effects? The vast majority of you're perceived detrimental effects can be sorted out by Holyrood. But miracousliy they've chosen not to deal with them. If however you mean the first world type problems we have that are so detrimental, I'll be happy to hear what you think they are.

Most of the white papers wish list can be delivered now. Child care for example is within the power of Holyrood to deal with now, but for some unknown reason they've decided that we can't possibly look at it now. The shorthair of single bedroom residences to overcome the perceived wrongs of the bedroom tax ( something I actually agree with as why am I further subsidising under utilised properties) is once again in the power of Holyrood.

You may wish to explain to me how having a foreign government having final sign off on an Independant Scotland's economic policy is so much better than what we have at the moment.

This is the problem with the Nat community. Its the place where the old labour socialists from the 70s ran off to. Just to let you know, those policies brought nothing but misery.

Grief whoring about how bad things are isn't going to change anything. If we're so hard done by, why does The SNP keep saying how great we are?
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(Original post by Jennifer cat)
Scotland has the resources, the knowledge and the will to be independent,however, We lack the confidence
No we don't. I hope the Nationalists finally agree that Scottish people aren't just scared or stupid after the 2014 referendum: it just happens that the majority of Scottish people do not want to break away from Britain.
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Post views/points/opinions in the comments, i'm currently trying to read the White Paper from cover to Cover
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It would be good for Scotland short term assuming we let them keep the pound and they get into the EU. But when oil is low they'll crawl back. Don't know if I'm to keen on that happening TBH. If they run out the door we should lock it.
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It would be good for Scotland short term assuming we let them keep the pound and they get into the EU. But when oil is low they'll crawl back. Don't know if I'm to keen on that happening TBH. If they run out the door we should lock it.
Nobody has said we can't make it by ourselves. The simple fact is that the majority of us wish to remain in the UK.
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I personally believe Scotland would collapse if it went independent.
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Nobody has said we can't make it by ourselves. The simple fact is that the majority of us wish to remain in the UK.
I think you'd have to join the euro and have to wait for the E.U.
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Why are the English getting involved? Let the Scots decide for themselves. They've got a referendum coming up and if they leave then it's their choice and their mistake.
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Does all of Britain get to vote for Scottish Independence or just scotts ?
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(Original post by L i b)
I already said I didn't watch it. What I'm questioning isn't what happened in the programme, but rather the point of having a televised debate at all.

I think this whole idea of 'winning' debates or trying to get one over on opponents is, I think, an American import which arose with the Carter/Ford presidential election. There is now a huge temptation to play a cheap, adversarial and overtly partisan stance. In the end, that only lowers debate to the lowest common denominator: soundbytes, false information, glossing over anything complicated and great public demonstrations of aggression. That serves no-one well.

As opposed to statements from biased news sources everyday or so?



(Original post by WebKoala)
It would be good for Scotland short term assuming we let them keep the pound and they get into the EU. But when oil is low they'll crawl back. Don't know if I'm to keen on that happening TBH. If they run out the door we should lock it.
Scotland has strong finances even without the oil.


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Does all of Britain get to vote for Scottish Independence or just scotts ?
No its not just people called Scott who get to vote.
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http://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.c...l#comment-form

Good blog post on the proposed Scottish defence force. Looks like it's far too small and underfunded to be able to achieve really anything at all.
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(Original post by Aj12)
http://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.c...l#comment-form

Good blog post on the proposed Scottish defence force. Looks like it's far too small and underfunded to be able to achieve really anything at all.
You beat me to it.

Wheres Maths Tutor? Even the comments pages on the Scotsman have been unite since the White Paper being published.
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Scotland has strong finances even without the oil.
No it doesn't. Even with the oil we've been in deficit for the past 20 of 21 years. Even with the oil, we're running a deficit of over £7 billion.
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No it doesn't. Even with the oil we've been in deficit for the past 20 of 21 years. Even with the oil, we're running a deficit of over £7 billion.
Have we not ran a surplus? Also that deficit is smaller than the rest of the UK
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Have we not ran a surplus?

How can you take part with any credibility in such a debate if you don't understand that Scotland (and the UK generally) hasn't been running in surplus for a very long time indeed? The deficit, of course is always going to be made worse if a country elects a free-spending government (as most left-leaning governments are).



Also that deficit is smaller than the rest of the UK
Er, Scotland's share of anything financial to do with the UK is always going to be less that that of the rest of the UK. :rolleyes:
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BoE are happy to enter talks about a currency union
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...alks-1-3213208
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How can you take part with any credibility in such a debate if you don't understand that Scotland (and the UK generally) hasn't been running in surplus for a very long time indeed? The deficit, of course is always going to be made worse if a country elects a free-spending government (as most left-leaning governments are).

Scotland ran a surplus in 05-06 and 06-07 Lib actually knows that. I remember speaking to him about that before.






Er, Scotland's share of anything financial to do with the UK is always going to be less that that of the rest of the UK. :rolleyes:
I mean as a percentage of GDP you knew don't act like a fool
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Scotland ran a surplus in 05-06 and 06-07 Lib actually knows that. I remember speaking to him about that before.
Individual year surpluses are next to irrelevant, especially in a long run of deficits. In any event, those numbers don't expose the Scottish share to elements that would be far more expensive after independence.
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