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    (Original post by Kruz)
    I have a feeling Man UTD fans will say something stupid like Higuain is overrated or rubbish.
    Not that he's rubbish but if Falcao or Cavani or such were available for £22m you would see significantly more interest than Higuian is currently getting. He would be looking at taking a bigger pay day than £130k for his peak years if he was on their level. People are talking about big signings but again, its the bargain basement clubs in for him, Arsenal and, Juv taking the piss with a joke of an offer. Its shows how much interest there is that they are even taking the piss like that. Its the same story as most seasons, taking the risk on players under performing than taking a risk on over paying. He's certainly an improvement on Giroud, no doubt will make mincemeat of plenty of PL teams, but again its the player that suits Wenger's price bracket not title winning performance brackets.

    (Original post by poiuytrewq54321)
    And plus a couple of seasons ago United were after him as well
    United have never been in for Higuian. We were in for Benzema both before he signed, and more or less confirmed now we put in a 35m bid for him the Jan after he signed. Sir Alex was always a Benzema fan.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    Not that he's rubbish but if Falcao or Cavani or such were available for £22m you would see significantly more interest than Higuian is currently getting. He would be looking at taking a bigger pay day than £130k for his peak years if he was on their level. People are talking about big signings but again, its the bargain basement clubs in for him, Arsenal and, Juv taking the piss with a joke of an offer. Its shows how much interest there is that they are even taking the piss like that. Its the same story as most seasons, taking the risk on players under performing than taking a risk on over paying. He's certainly an improvement on Giroud, no doubt will make mincemeat of plenty of PL teams, but again its the player that suits Wenger's price bracket not title winning performance brackets.

    United have never been in for Higuian. We were in for Benzema both before he signed, and more or less confirmed now we put in a 35m bid for him the Jan after he signed. Sir Alex was always a Benzema fan.
    Actually there was a lot of talk of United going for Higuain when the Rooney contract saga was going on and they wanted another striker. I'm sure if you do some your research you'll find out
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    I'm a utd fan, Just wanted to say that think Higuain is a brilliant signing for you and isnt overrated. Hes got a brilliant chance conversion rate- around 27% which is the 5th highest in Europe. He also has one of the best minutes/goal ratio in the league. As long as chances are created for him, he will score. However he is somewhat similiar to hernandez in that he is very good at being in the right place at the right time, but his work outside of the box isn't as good as other strikers, part of the reason why benzema is preferred over him.

    Edit:any reason for the negs?
    I didnt say the two players are of the same ability, just that they are similiar in style. Perhaps a more suitable comparison would have been Lewandowski.
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    Lewandowski is brilliant outside the box. Perhaps the best linkup play of any CF in the world other than Messi.
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    (Original post by Boner in joggers)
    Lewandowski is brilliant outside the box. Perhaps the best linkup play of any CF in the world other than Messi.
    Falcao perhaps? Falcao's link up play is absolutely brilliant.
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    (Original post by poiuytrewq54321)
    Actually there was a lot of talk of United going for Higuain when the Rooney contract saga was going on and they wanted another striker. I'm sure if you do some your research you'll find out
    A lot of talk where? As a United fan, I didn't see any realistic talk of Higuian to United. In fact after just googling the transfer in that period, the only link is a caught offside article with no basis. The fact Higuan signed a new Madrid deal only 3months before the Rooney saga should tell you it was rubbish.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    A lot of talk where? As a United fan, I didn't see any realistic talk of Higuian to United. In fact after just googling the transfer in that period, the only link is a caught offside article with no basis. The fact Higuan signed a new Madrid deal only 3months before the Rooney saga should tell you it was rubbish.
    Fair enough although I remember reading an article which said that United were after him. But then again most players are linked to United.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    A lot of talk where? As a United fan, I didn't see any realistic talk of Higuian to United. In fact after just googling the transfer in that period, the only link is a caught offside article with no basis. The fact Higuan signed a new Madrid deal only 3months before the Rooney saga should tell you it was rubbish.
    There were rumours linking us to Benzema, don't remember any Higuan ones though.
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    The BBC have just posted this regarding Higuian:

    BBC Sport's David Ornstein:
    "There is plenty of transfer speculation surrounding Arsenal at the moment and, whether or not any or some of the rumours materialise, it is set to be a busy summer at Emirates Stadium.

    "The Gunners have around £70m to spend and their primary target is Real Madrid and Argentina striker Gonzalo Higuain. It is understood the 25-year-old is keen to join Arsene Wenger's side after four-and-a-half years at the Bernabeu.

    "While reports suggest personal terms have been agreed on a four-year contract, no deal has been reached between the clubs as yet. Real need to fill their vacant manager's position before final decisions are made on comings and goings."
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    More from BBC Sport's David Ornstein on the transfer situation at Arsenal:

    "They have also been linked to Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney and, although a bid for the England international is not thought to be likely, the idea has been backed by the club's second-largest shareholder Alisher Usmanov, who says: 'he is a great player and [joining Arsenal] would be great for Rooney, and Arsenal too.'

    "The other area Arsenal are focusing on is midfield, with an attacking and a defensive player sought. The desire for an attacking midfielder stems from injury problems for Jack Wilshere and Abou Diaby, while Mikel Arteta was Arsenal's main defensive midfielder last season despite rarely having adopted the role in previous years. Everton's Marouane Fellaini, a reported target, has a release clause of around £23m.
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    Hurry up madrid and appoint a manager ffs!
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    There were rumours linking us to Benzema, don't remember any Higuan ones though.
    Agreed as I said, we've been linked to Benzema quite a bit.

    I think that Ornstein article is probably correct, I can see teams, especially Madrid buying players before the manager comes in, but to sell one of your two strikers for peanuts before the manager comes in, with what is realistically on the market right now would be completely unnecessary. Surely the prerequisite for a Higuian to Arsenal deal is going to be a Mr. X to Madrid deal. I would think you would need to see movement on something like Suarez before the deal is close. Unless Madrid are staking next season on Morata, which would be unlike them.
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    (Original post by poiuytrewq54321)
    More from BBC Sport's David Ornstein on the transfer situation at Arsenal:

    "They have also been linked to Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney and, although a bid for the England international is not thought to be likely, the idea has been backed by the club's second-largest shareholder Alisher Usmanov, who says: 'he is a great player and [joining Arsenal] would be great for Rooney, and Arsenal too.'

    "The other area Arsenal are focusing on is midfield, with an attacking and a defensive player sought. The desire for an attacking midfielder stems from injury problems for Jack Wilshere and Abou Diaby, while Mikel Arteta was Arsenal's main defensive midfielder last season despite rarely having adopted the role in previous years. Everton's Marouane Fellaini, a reported target, has a release clause of around £23m.
    Ornstein: ''Suggestions that the Gunners are looking to bring in QPR and Brazil goalkeeper Julio Cesar are wide of the mark. While not ruling out the arrival of a world-class keeper, Wenger is said to be happy with Wojciech Szczesny and Lukasz Fabianski''

    Always knew that the GK rumors were bull****. Szczesny was scapegoated by many people because of a reluctance to point the finger at Vermaelen. Surprise surprise, we concede one goal from open play with Szczesny-Koscielny-Mertesacker in the last 10 games and in total we ended up with the 2nd best defensive record in the league.

    Ornstein also says we wont buy a defender unless someone leaves, so if we do spend the 70m, it'll be on offensive players, or a DM. 50m left after Higuain...
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    Not that he's rubbish but if Falcao or Cavani or such were available for £22m you would see significantly more interest than Higuian is currently getting. He would be looking at taking a bigger pay day than £130k for his peak years if he was on their level. People are talking about big signings but again, its the bargain basement clubs in for him, Arsenal and, Juv taking the piss with a joke of an offer. Its shows how much interest there is that they are even taking the piss like that. Its the same story as most seasons, taking the risk on players under performing than taking a risk on over paying. He's certainly an improvement on Giroud, no doubt will make mincemeat of plenty of PL teams, but again its the player that suits Wenger's price bracket not title winning performance brackets.

    United have never been in for Higuian. We were in for Benzema both before he signed, and more or less confirmed now we put in a 35m bid for him the Jan after he signed. Sir Alex was always a Benzema fan.
    Your argument is extremely ignorant. You talk about the 'bargain basement clubs' in for Higuain, you forgot that spending £22m on a player isn't chump change. I would also like your opinion on Cazorla joining Arsenal for £12m, we were the only 'bargain basement club' in for him and he's better than all of your midfielders. Just because you look for value in the market doesn't mean there is a drop off in the quality of the player ffs.
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    Rumours aside, if we did manage to land both Higuain and Rooney, where do you guys think they'd stand among our previous strike partnerships?
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Why? Higuain knew when he stated his intentions to leave Real that Mou was on his way out, he knew a new man was going to be appointed but he still wanted to leave Madrid regardless. So what effect would waiting for a new manager have.

    Knowing Real Madrid it probably some appearance issue
    Probably an appearance issue, he's good but he's not world class or does he seem world class, they like buying new attacking players to make the team look more valuable. It's the whole point of madrid identity, they get one or two one club players from castilla or bought young(raul, guti, casillas, ramos) and they turn into world class players and the rest are just there until they can find someone better.

    (Original post by poiuytrewq54321)
    Actually there was a lot of talk of United going for Higuain when the Rooney contract saga was going on and they wanted another striker. I'm sure if you do some your research you'll find out
    Benzema, not higuain. In fact higuain had a long term injury at the time so there's no way he'd have gone for rooney. Do your research.

    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)
    Your argument is extremely ignorant. You talk about the 'bargain basement clubs' in for Higuain, you forgot that spending £22m on a player isn't chump change. I would also like your opinion on Cazorla joining Arsenal for £12m, we were the only 'bargain basement club' in for him and he's better than all of your midfielders. Just because you look for value in the market doesn't mean there is a drop off in the quality of the player ffs.
    Isn't it obvious why you got cazorla. Chelsea got hazard and mata, united got kagawa and rooney in that position, madrid already had ozil, barca well don't even bother and bayern had kroos, ribery, schweinsteigger and muller to play in that hole. Every other team were stocked in that position. That's why arsenal got cazorla, because he was not needed(and still isn't needed imo) by any of the other aforementioned clubs. He was not needed by them so arsenal got him.
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    (Original post by don'tTRIP.)
    Rumours aside, if we did manage to land both Higuain and Rooney, where do you guys think they'd stand among our previous strike partnerships?
    Not as good as the henry years but probably the second best strike force in the wenger era. While RVP is the better striker than higuain and rooney he's had the likes of adebayor, walcott and gervinho flanking him/partnering him.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Isn't it obvious why you got cazorla. Chelsea got hazard and mata, united got kagawa and rooney in that position, madrid already had ozil, barca well don't even bother and bayern had kroos, ribery, schweinsteigger and muller to play in that hole. Every other team were stocked in that position. That's why arsenal got cazorla, because he was not needed(and still isn't needed imo) by any of the other aforementioned clubs. He was not needed by them so arsenal got him.
    We acted fast and sealed the deal, other clubs didn't know he was for sale. But generally I agree that other clubs were stocked in the position. My point was that just because you buy a player for £12m doesn't mean he isn't worth £25m, which Cazorla clearly is. Same could be said of Higuain, we'll get him for £22m but he's clearly a player that could bang in 25-30 goals this season.
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    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)
    We acted fast and sealed the deal, other clubs didn't know he was for sale. But generally I agree that other clubs were stocked in the position. My point was that just because you buy a player for £12m doesn't mean he isn't worth £25m, which Cazorla clearly is. Same could be said of Higuain, we'll get him for £22m but he's clearly a player that could bang in 25-30 goals this season.
    I agree with that. arsenal acted fast, but most clubs didn't need him, so wouldn't have needed to know he was for sale. Why would you raid a team of their players if you don't need any of them?

    But he doesn't offer much more than that. £22m is the right price for him. He's also a bit of a fader. He's going to get you £22m worth and that's it. He's not going to go and dribble past the defender, get involved in all the build up play and in games where he's given no space whatsoever to manouver he's going to be a passenger(see the second leg of the real vs dortmund match) and he can be poo at times, despite that finishing rate of his. He'll be a good player for you if you get him though and will do the job. But nothing more than that.
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    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)
    Your argument is extremely ignorant. You talk about the 'bargain basement clubs' in for Higuain, you forgot that spending £22m on a player isn't chump change. I would also like your opinion on Cazorla joining Arsenal for £12m, we were the only 'bargain basement club' in for him and he's better than all of your midfielders. Just because you look for value in the market doesn't mean there is a drop off in the quality of the player ffs.
    Ignorant of what exactly? £22m is not big money in the world of football, and doesn't in normal circumstances buy big players, especially not striker where you always pay a premium. £22m is a lot of money for Arsenal, but who else at the top is even hesitant to drop that kind of money? Aston Villa were willing to pay that for Darren Bent. If Higuain is a top striker ready to lead a team to a title for £22m and £130k p/w, first of all why are Madrid letting him go, and why is no one else making a move for him? My opinion of Cazorla was already in there, no one else was in for him and he had special circumstances so you go him cheap. "taking the risk on players under performing than taking a risk on over paying" is doesn't mean all players are rubbish, obviously you do get a diamond in the rough. It almost always does mean a drop off in quality, you are relying on quickly getting unknown players or player being underestimated.
 
 
 
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