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It's interesting reading about 92 that the initial exit poll handed to broadcasters actually had a Labour majority, it's only the final inputs that suggested the Tories were doing much better than previously thought and then obviously in the early hours it became clear that the exit poll was wrong.

First real test tonight is apparently Nuneaton. If the Tories hold it, it suggests that they may be smiling.
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Why do I have so much work to do on election day

Anyway, as I won't be around until midnight probably, drinks are on the house!
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I don't think there's an issue of 'democracy' in terms of how it's structured. The problem is it's horrifically corrupt, rotten to the core and we can only choose UK MEPs. There will be people making laws which affect us whom we CAN'T vote for, nor remove. Many of these MEPs have an inherent dislike for the UK, too, but that's another issue.
Here, if you are fed up with the Tories apparently hurting the poor, you can vote them out. If you believed Labour were screwing up the economy in 2010, you could (and did) vote them out. If there are a bunch of German MEPs proposing laws / amendments etc which are not in the UK's interests, but are in German interests, we can do NOTHING about it.
In the HoC each voter gets the chance to vote for 1/650 MPs (0.15% of the House). In the European Parliament, even in the smallest UK constituency of Northern Ireland each voter gets to vote for 3/751 MEPs (4.0% of the total). The British voter actually gets to elect a much larger total of the European Parliament than the House of Commons.
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I would be more inclined to say social liberal than classic liberal.

The fact they are Euroskeptic is more of a factor into why I don't mind them, but I also agree with a 'fair' amount of their policies too.
You mean social democrat i assume?

Both capitalists and socialists can be social liberals. The left-right distinction between social liberals is generally described as social democrat-classical liberal (albeit the classical liberals were not all that liberal on many issues).
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(Original post by Saracen's Fez)
In the HoC each voter gets the chance to vote for 1/650 MPs (0.15% of the House). In the European Parliament, even in the smallest UK constituency of Northern Ireland each voter gets to vote for 3/751 MEPs (4.0% of the total). The British voter actually gets to elect a much larger total of the European Parliament than the House of Commons.
Yes, but the British in total get 100% of say on the HoC. They don't on the MEP make up. How difficult is it to see that?!
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Yes, but the British in total get 100% of say on the HoC. They don't on the MEP make up. How difficult is it to see that?!
You still in York these days? Rumour has it the Wednesday may be off to play you chaps again in pre season.
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You mean social democrat i assume?

Both capitalists and socialists can be social liberals. The left-right distinction between social liberals is generally described as social democrat-classical liberal (albeit the classical liberals were not all that liberal on many issues).
Woops yes I did mean Social Democrat (though do take that with a pinch of salt), apologies for mistype
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I just found out my mum voted for UKIP and I thought she was diehard Labour... woops
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You still in York these days? Rumour has it the Wednesday may be off to play you chaps again in pre season.
Yup - ooh that'd be good. Really wanted to go to that last year. I suspect pre-season will be the best bit about next season...
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I just found out my mum voted for UKIP and I thought she was diehard Labour... woops
I'm too scared to ask who my mum voted, we've already argued over politics too much xD
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(Original post by Inexorably)
Woops yes I did mean Social Democrat, apologies for mistype
Fair enough. I'm kind of a wierd mix of liberalism and conservatism myself. I'm not a historian but i image that i might not be out of place with Gladstone, economically liberal, socially liberal for the time but a supporter of eugenics (i support liberal eugenics), more or less supported the church and monarchy although not to a strong degree and supported the empire (i support both western and British roles in the world, even stretching to the occupation of the Middle East).
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I just found out my mum voted for UKIP and I thought she was diehard Labour... woops
My parents are left in attitude but dislike Labour due to the unions, they are also anti-immigrant.

They've voted BNP, Green, Lib Dem and today, Ukip.
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I just found out my mum voted for UKIP and I thought she was diehard Labour... woops
I thought the same if my grandmother, then on Saturday she told us she'd voted UKIP the last three times, 4 now

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I just found out my mum voted for UKIP and I thought she was diehard Labour... woops
My best friend voted UKIP. And he is die-hard labour. Was a toss up for him between Yorkshire First and UKIP, went with UKIP in the end.
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Yup - ooh that'd be good. Really wanted to go to that last year. I suspect pre-season will be the best bit about next season...
Good chap. I'll quote you if anything comes of it, potentially have a drink or two before the game
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My parents are left in attitude but dislike Labour due to the unions, they are also anti-immigrant.

They've voted BNP, Green, Lib Dem and today, Ukip.
That's a massive array of parties on the spectrum to vote for in all honesty .

How old are your parents? I can imagine if they were alive during the 70s their dislike for "Old" Labour will probably be quite intense.
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My best friend voted UKIP. And he is die-hard labour. Was a toss up for him between Yorkshire First and UKIP, went with UKIP in the end.
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Seems we all know at least someone personally who has voted UKIP. I believe my grandad will have also as iirc he voted BNP last election, but they're not standing here this election.

It still astonishes me how diverse political parties have got in the past five years.
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I'm so nervous!

Farage deserves his seat more than anyone.
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(Original post by Inexorably)
That's a massive array of parties on the spectrum to vote for in all honesty .

How old are your parents? I can imagine if they were alive during the 70s their dislike for "Old" Labour will probably be quite intense.
Well the BNP are as left as the Greens economically. Obviously their most recent choices (Libs and Ukip) are interesting.

Interestingly they do remember Thatcher well for her strength.

They were born in 64 and 66 so growing up it's probably easy to see why teens seeing 3 day weeks and strikes probably won't be thrilled with Labour.
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Good chap. I'll quote you if anything comes of it, potentially have a drink or two before the game
That'd be good! The drinking's been pretty much all that got me through this season! Thankfully York has some top pubs!
How's Nuhiu doing for you guy, btw?
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