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    (Original post by hello101)
    Hello .....many congratulations to your sister for getting in..your story is truly inspiring and thank u for sharing it with us ....

    I don't mean to butt in here but I would just like to say Dr. Ang's reply was directed at me therefore it doesn't actually sound like it would if that was just a stand alone reply .........

    Well clearly the unis are looking for some thing and I am not able to express it in the way they want .... This is where Dr. Ang is going beyond their duty of care to help .... This kind of help offers are usually offered by many companies who want to make money first ..... So the intention is quite noble....the fact they are a doctor is even better as they can help me understand how my answers sound to a seasoned professional and I can bridge the gap between what I am saying in my opinion vs what the doctors are hearing.....
    To be honest this gap should truly be bridged by the unis themselves , leaving the professional like Dr. Ang to provide excellent care to their patients... And communicate their passion and experience to future medics ....... But unfortunately unis don't...... Which is such a shame..... So if I ask u what do I do if dr. Ang doesn't help me ... Sit around and keep getting rejections till I say things in a way the uni wants to hear ..... If and when I say those things would that be an indicator that I am more ready to be a doctor ..... ? Maybe so...,... But I hope u can see why I can't believe this .....

    Now there is no way to know how Dr. Ang's daughter would have done if Dr. Ang wasn't a doc but they were just expressing their opinion and a bit of parental love ( lol u know what I mean )

    Anyway I hope u see the point I am addressing even if I am doing so in an in conscise manner....

    The story of u and ur family is very inspiring personally and thanks once again for sharing it..



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    You misunderstand my intentions! I was simply saying that certain applicants may be at a position of advantage because they have doctors in the family. This is merely stating a fact, without any negative or positive connotations implied at all. I was using my sister as an example to show that you don't have to have coaching, or professional help to get a place and that medical schools are more interested in selecting applicants based on desirable character traits (communication skills, leadership, teamwork, interpersonal skills) which they do so by assessing the individual's performance at interview, and the information provided in both the reference and the personal statement. Of course, this may not be a perfect way to select candidates but I think we can all agree that this is the most fair way given time restraints, the sheer volume of applicants; I think the system gives everyone an equal chance.

    "So if I ask u what do I do if dr. Ang doesn't help me ... Sit around and keep getting rejections till I say things in a way the uni wants to hear ..... If and when I say those things would that be an indicator that I am more ready to be a doctor ..... ? Maybe so...,... But I hope u can see why I can't believe this ....."

    I also don't think this is true. I know you are very upset about your rejections this cycle but there are definitely other things you can do to improve, rather than rely on professional help as many candidates managed to secure a place without it. I also don't think you can blame not receiving professional help or coaching as the main reason for being rejected. As others have said before, it's unwise to vent your frustrations by blaming the system, rather than taking constructive action to improve your application. Dr. Ang may or may not be in London, she may or may not offer you help. And if she does, fantastic! If not: The question you should be asking yourself is what you can do to make your application better?
    Sorry if my comments caused any discontent! This is my honest POV.
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    Hi folks

    I am writing this now as you people are anonymous to me; I rarely mentioned this to my friends. Talked about growing up in poverty. I grew up with an alcoholic father in a tiny 1-room flat (there were 6 of us) in a slum area. My neighbors were prostitutes & drug addicts. We were so poor that my mother had to pawn all her wedding jewelry to buy rice for us. Wedding jewelry is very important to a traditional Chinese woman. That hurt me to this day. I studied hard and paid my own way through medical school by giving tuition even when I was exhausted . Hence my passion in helping the less fortunate as I have experienced personal suffering and bitterness. A significant part of my time and money now is spent running free medical clinics in the Myanmar border areas where the medical conditions are truly appalling and there are many child prostitutes. My daughter has also helped me in these medical mission trips.

    Regarding my daughter. The broader issue is the advantages that a wealthier parent can give her child and the unfairness of this compared to a child who is disadvantaged. There have been many debates over this.

    I used to feel guilty about this and hence we made it a point to never spoil our kids. Unlike many here in this affluent country with their own maids, my kids are the rare ones without maids and who washed bathrooms, mopped the floors, do all the dishes etc.

    Someone pointed out to me that my kids have never squandered any of the opportunities we gave them. My daughter plays both the violin & piano at Diploma levels. She was the Concert Master of the country's National Orchestra, plus Concert Master of her school Orchestra. She is a black-slope skier, Captain of her school badminton team. Presidents of 2 very busy societies. She is also predicted 45/45 for her IB. She did many medical internships across 3 different countries, different hospitals and clinics. She was also involved in a complicated hospital heart research project. Her many testimonials from her doctor-mentors/teachers all universally attest to her extremely warm, generous & responsible personality. Like me, she has always been a giver, not a taker. And equally her passion for medicine shone through. Interviewers can see this clearly.

    So did my daughter get into so many medical schools based on my coaching?

    When I first started practicing interviews with her, I noticed that although she was eloquent, yet her answers were not well structured and she was not sure of some medical terms, hence coming across as somewhat gauche. Let me give you an example ( for future applicants reading this please do NOT use this example next year as I can imagine many applicants giving the same type of answer !). When asked what health-related things students read, most students tend to say BBC Health News etc. However, for my daughter we talked about these journals that discussed the medical lawsuits and mistakes made by doctors and how doctors can avoid these mistakes. It is obviously a very interesting publication and we enjoyed frightening ourselves with these real-life examples of errors made by doctors and the harm brought to patients as a consequence of these errors ! In 2 of her interviews, she mentioned these medical negligence cases and the interviewers were obviously impressed.

    So yes, please do practise for your interviews in a sensible way. You do not necessarily need a doctor to help you but I would strongly suggest an older, more mature adult who can help you with your flow of words/ideas. As for reading materials, there are many publications on health issues, interview questions. We just downloaded 100 medical school interview questions off the Internet and those questions were a good place to start.

    I am sorry that this comes out only at the end of this cycle. I am very busy, rarely goes onto TSR and actually almost everything I said about interviews have been discussed ad nauseum in this Forum and elsewhere.
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    (Original post by Neuropilin)
    You misunderstand my intentions! I was simply saying that certain applicants may be at a position of advantage because they have doctors in the family. This is merely stating a fact, without any negative or positive connotations implied at all. I was using my sister as an example to show that you don't have to have coaching, or professional help to get a place and that medical schools are more interested in selecting applicants based on desirable character traits (communication skills, leadership, teamwork, interpersonal skills) which they do so by assessing the individual's performance at interview, and the information provided in both the reference and the personal statement. Of course, this may not be a perfect way to select candidates but I think we can all agree that this is the most fair way given time restraints, the sheer volume of applicants; I think the system gives everyone an equal chance.

    "So if I ask u what do I do if dr. Ang doesn't help me ... Sit around and keep getting rejections till I say things in a way the uni wants to hear ..... If and when I say those things would that be an indicator that I am more ready to be a doctor ..... ? Maybe so...,... But I hope u can see why I can't believe this ....."

    I also don't think this is true. I know you are very upset about your rejections this cycle but there are definitely other things you can do to improve, rather than rely on professional help as many candidates managed to secure a place without it. I also don't think you can blame not receiving professional help or coaching as the main reason for being rejected. As others have said before, it's unwise to vent your frustrations by blaming the system, rather than taking constructive action to improve your application. Dr. Ang may or may not be in London, she may or may not offer you help. And if she does, fantastic! If not: The question you should be asking yourself is what you can do to make your application better?
    Sorry if my comments caused any discontent! This is my honest POV.
    No no they didnt cause discontent ... I think i should take a bit offf time off as maybe i am not writing things the way i want to say them ....
    I wasn't being sarcastic in my compliments to you or Dr Ang ...

    No what you say is kind of true... I am a genuine beilever that one can always improve but genuinely it the is the interview technique and not a matter of how i can improve in my case ....
    I am not saying i am perfect lol lol lol there is always always room for improvement but its the interview side which needs more attention ( although now I have to jump through all the hurdles again ... Interview is like a mile away ... Ukcat ; gamsat etc now are there again and here i was thinking i have seen the back of them lol)

    I always like to do things without professional coaching as i achieve much better results but sometimes you need someone to tell you what you are doing wrong ......( just like a driving instructor when u say that you havent done anything wrong and then they walk you through from what they saw and it becomes apparent so quickly what was wrong )

    Its so frustrating when no feedback is given post interview ( this is what i am not happy with at all ) so i keep on making the same mistake over and over like i applied last year failed at the same hurdle and this year again....
    Now i am back to square one again....
    Have to sit the god forbidden ukcat again lol
    The system is irritating that way when no feedback is given and i am having to apply again and again coz i am just not presenting things they want in 15 mins ..
    I am not relying on professional help ...
    I am taking a lot of steps to cure this " problem " hopefully this will do the trick ...






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    (Original post by Dr Ang)
    Hi folks

    I am writing this now as you people are anonymous to me; I rarely mentioned this to my friends. Talked about growing up in poverty. I grew up with an alcoholic father in a tiny 1-room flat (there were 6 of us) in a slum area. My neighbors were prostitutes & drug addicts. We were so poor that my mother had to pawn all her wedding jewelry to buy rice for us. Wedding jewelry is very important to a traditional Chinese woman. That hurt me to this day. I studied hard and paid my own way through medical school by giving tuition even when I was exhausted . Hence my passion in helping the less fortunate as I have experienced personal suffering and bitterness. A significant part of my time and money now is spent running free medical clinics in the Myanmar border areas where the medical conditions are truly appalling and there are many child prostitutes. My daughter has also helped me in these medical mission trips.

    Regarding my daughter. The broader issue is the advantages that a wealthier parent can give her child and the unfairness of this compared to a child who is disadvantaged. There have been many debates over this.

    I used to feel guilty about this and hence we made it a point to never spoil our kids. Unlike many here in this affluent country with their own maids, my kids are the rare ones without maids and who washed bathrooms, mopped the floors, do all the dishes etc.

    Someone pointed out to me that my kids have never squandered any of the opportunities we gave them. My daughter plays both the violin & piano at Diploma levels. She was the Concert Master of the country's National Orchestra, plus Concert Master of her school Orchestra. She is a black-slope skier, Captain of her school badminton team. Presidents of 2 very busy societies. She is also predicted 45/45 for her IB. She did many medical internships across 3 different countries, different hospitals and clinics. She was also involved in a complicated hospital heart research project. Her many testimonials from her doctor-mentors/teachers all universally attest to her extremely warm, generous & responsible personality. Like me, she has always been a giver, not a taker. And equally her passion for medicine shone through. Interviewers can see this clearly.

    So did my daughter get into so many medical schools based on my coaching?

    When I first started practicing interviews with her, I noticed that although she was eloquent, yet her answers were not well structured and she was not sure of some medical terms, hence coming across as somewhat gauche. Let me give you an example ( for future applicants reading this please do NOT use this example next year as I can imagine many applicants giving the same type of answer !). When asked what health-related things students read, most students tend to say BBC Health News etc. However, for my daughter we talked about these journals that discussed the medical lawsuits and mistakes made by doctors and how doctors can avoid these mistakes. It is obviously a very interesting publication and we enjoyed frightening ourselves with these real-life examples of errors made by doctors and the harm brought to patients as a consequence of these errors ! In 2 of her interviews, she mentioned these medical negligence cases and the interviewers were obviously impressed.

    So yes, please do practise for your interviews in a sensible way. You do not necessarily need a doctor to help you but I would strongly suggest an older, more mature adult who can help you with your flow of words/ideas. As for reading materials, there are many publications on health issues, interview questions. We just downloaded 100 medical school interview questions off the Internet and those questions were a good place to start.

    I am sorry that this comes out only at the end of this cycle. I am very busy, rarely goes onto TSR and actually almost everything I said about interviews have been discussed ad nauseum in this Forum and elsewhere.
    Wow ... Sounds like you have endured so much... And yet you help ... Its great to see that as before this form i only found very few people who are genuinely this helpful .....
    I cant say how humbled i am to read what you have written ...
    Ps . Ur daughter has done amazingly well credit to her .... As sometime people are given a the tools but they still dont utilise them ...ps ... I hope u werent offended by my comment earlier ... I was saying that we dont have a a mystic ball to comment how life would be if xyz wasn the case ....
    This doesnt take anything away from the person 's achievements ....
    I know you will but please ignore hugby1 .... His comment is just not worth even waisting a nano second over ....
    Thank u again for so much help .....ur message / achievements are very inspiring.......





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    I'm so excited!!!!! There's just this one more hurdle to jump... anyone else wading through the swamp that is finals revision?
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    (Original post by Cephalosporin)
    I'm so excited!!!!! There's just this one more hurdle to jump... anyone else wading through the swamp that is finals revision?
    Best of luck


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    Back to business in hand - so how many applicants I wonder are still waiting to hear? As of 2 days ago (post 4417) it seems there were 200 decisions left to be made and after that post some received offers so even less now. They said they would complete by this Friday or next Monday so I hope they do. Anybody contacted King's since?

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    Back to business in hand - so how many applicants I wonder are still waiting to hear? As of 2 days ago (post 4417) it seems there were 200 decisions left to be made and after that post some received offers so even less now. They said they would complete by this Friday or next Monday so I hope they do. Anybody contacted King's since?


    Hey there, your choice of font really means business!!

    I'm wondering too. I wonder how many international places are left?
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    (Original post by Miel Purple)
    Why do you use so many ellipses

    ....?
    Spaces things out ... A bit of my personality ... Lolz


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    (Original post by hello101)
    Spaces things out ... A bit of my personality ... Lolz


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    It's quite hard to read tbh. You don't need to space things out :erm:

    and if it's your personality, do you think this is also how you present yourself at interviews?
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    (Original post by Miel Purple)
    It's quite hard to read tbh. You don't need to space things out :erm:

    and if it's your personality, do you think this is also how you present yourself at interviews?
    Lol kool thanks for the feedback ...
    I like it to be honest ...
    Ps this is not really a formal chat that i have to really care about presentation but yea point taken ... Thanks for the feedback ...ps honesty is good but being too blunt can come across as a bit harsh like in ur comment.......
    Have u got an offer from kings or anywhere else ?


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    (Original post by hello101)
    Lol kool thanks for the feedback ...
    I like it to be honest ...
    Ps this is not really a formal chat that i have to really care about presentation but yea point taken ... Thanks for the feedback ...ps honesty is good but being too blunt can come across as a bit harsh like in ur comment.......
    Have u got an offer from kings or anywhere else ?


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    If you reply to this, can you try to not include ellipses for once?

    You'd be surprised, I'm confident I read somewhere in the rules that chat should be formal unless it's in the chat forum.

    Ok point taken-didn't know I was that blunt. I'll improve on that but I'm much better in real life.

    Yeah I have an offer at kings and UEA but the UEA thread is bloody boring and quiet whereas this thread is active, controversial and better people bar hugby
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    (Original post by Miel Purple)
    If you reply to this, can you try to not include ellipses for once?

    You'd be surprised, I'm confident I read somewhere in the rules that chat should be formal unless it's in the chat forum.

    Ok point taken-didn't know I was that blunt. I'll improve on that but I'm much better in real life.

    Yeah I have an offer at kings and UEA but the UEA thread is bloody boring and quiet whereas this thread is active, controversial and better people bar hugby
    Lol ... ( sorry i can't help myself )
    Just for u i made the effort hope u appreciate it .


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    (Original post by hello101)
    Lol ... ( sorry i can't help myself )
    Just for u i made the effort hope u appreciate it .


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    I wanted a paragraph but that'll be fine :yes:
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    Moving on.... Anyone heard anything back from kings yet....?
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    Just found out from the portal that i have gotten the offer a few hours ago and UCAS had been updated as well. It has been an antagonizing wait since my interview...
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    Congratulations! Did you receive the email "Your application will be held a little longer........" before you received your offer?
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    Congratulations! Did you receive the email "Your application will be held a litter longer......" before you received your offer?
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    Hi!
    I had a look around the KCL forum and I couldn't see a Medicine offer holder thread.
    Some other med schools have one so I looked for King's.

    Do you know if there is one?
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    Guys, when are he few last applicants going to hear back?


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