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    (Original post by APlantinga)
    She can improve public speaking. And the Parties wouldn't be similar. What we'd have is a manifesto that actually has policies. Forgetting about tuition fees, and stopping the fact that you can't get good GCSEs if you don't go to nursery is so BOLD, and so RIGHT. We have 4 years to win people over with the arguments. Not to mention, the shadow cabinate would have people like CHukka and Jarvis; they will convince people on newsnight. Also, she's a woman. That should get a % of the monster raving feminist vote, although I hope she doesn't use it to go down this road of male discrimination.

    Nah the Greens will leak votes as the door has been slammed shut on the politics of hope. And good riddance.
    The policied wouldnt be identical but unless the tories shift right they wouldnt be far off. Shes the only candidate not condemning the cuts to tax credits. What about Hunt (the man who crossed a picket) surely he could do a good job in putting people off Labour instead of Chucka. Jarvis however could win votes but he could do that with any leader and the feminist vote isnt that large and could well go Green.

    I really doubt that.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    And those are?
    And those are a surprisingly large number of issues!
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    And those are a surprisingly large number of issues!
    Paxman would devastate you if you gave that answer to him, just saying.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Paxman would devastate you if you gave that answer to him, just saying.
    Good job you aren't Paxman then!
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    Don't really like paxman. He's more concerned with hammering MPs for missing a comma than getting meaningful information. It turned itno a gimmick in his later years.

    Evan Davies has impressed me.
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    Good job you aren't Paxman then!
    Ikr, otherwise you might have to answer questions with actual answers.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    I'd say Labour going right with Kendall will lose more to Ukip/Greens than Corbyn would lose.
    Yes because adopting a right stance will push those with a right wing frame of mind to a right wing party, my bad.
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    Yes because adopting a right stance will push those with a right wing frame of mind to a right wing party, my bad.
    Not all Ukip viters are right wing, but often they simply oppose the EU (like many left wingers) or protest vote because they believe Ukip are anti-establishment. Having next to no difference to the tories would lead to more protest voters and help to increase Ukip support.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    Not all Ukip viters are right wing, but often they simply oppose the EU (like many left wingers) or protest vote because they believe Ukip are anti-establishment. Having next to no difference to the tories would lead to more protest voters and help to increase Ukip support.
    But think about this. Jeremy is pro mass uncontrolled immigration- 1 topic why people defected to UKIP. Jeremy is pro Europe- 2nd topic for defection. Jeremy is pro Islamist right- 3rd topic why people flock to UKIP since they are concerned with lack of force to fight terror in the UK. Jeremy is pro welfare and pro borrowing- a very important economic issue why many vote for UKIP. Clearly you need to look at UKIP electoral polls as these issues are on people's minds. Jeremy can never reach out to these people.
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    (Original post by The two eds)
    But think about this. Jeremy is pro mass uncontrolled immigration- 1 topic why people defected to UKIP. Jeremy is pro Europe- 2nd topic for defection. Jeremy is pro Islamist right- 3rd topic why people flock to UKIP since they are concerned with lack of force to fight terror in the UK. Jeremy is pro welfare and pro borrowing- a very important economic issue why many vote for UKIP. Clearly you need to look at UKIP electoral polls as these issues are on people's minds. Jeremy can never reach out to these people.
    1. Yes Jeremy is pro-europe but a party led by him would be more eurosceptic than one led by Kendall, Burnham or Cooper as many of those to the left of the party are anti-europe.

    2. What do you mean by pro-islamist? If you mean pro terrorist then no but if you mean pro not discriminating against muslims or scapegoating them then yes.

    3. Welfare is a neccesary safety net and borrowing is neccesary in certain ssituations.

    Aditionally I never said Corbyn would wipe out ukip but that he could win back some protest voters.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    1. Yes Jeremy is pro-europe but a party led by him would be more eurosceptic than one led by Kendall, Burnham or Cooper as many of those to the left of the party are anti-europe.

    2. What do you mean by pro-islamist? If you mean pro terrorist then no but if you mean pro not discriminating against muslims or scapegoating them then yes.

    3. Welfare is a neccesary safety net and borrowing is neccesary in certain ssituations.

    Aditionally I never said Corbyn would wipe out ukip but that he could win back some protest voters.
    If I was a Labour supporter I would be extremely scared of your inability to accept a large majority of Labour supporters in the north especially vote Labour out of hatred towards the Tories and their working class roots. There is nothing left about them as England is well known for its right wing stance- a reason why Blair was successful and foot very unsuccessful, two men on opposite sides of the spectrum. UKIP will gain millions if Labour head in a hard left direction which some of that can be compensated by return of green, plaid and SNP supporters.
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    (Original post by The two eds)
    If I was a Labour supporter I would be extremely scared of your inability to accept a large majority of Labour supporters in the north especially vote Labour out of hatred towards the Tories and their working class roots. There is nothing left about them as England is well known for its right wing stance- a reason why Blair was successful and foot very unsuccessful, two men on opposite sides of the spectrum. UKIP will gain millions if Labour head in a hard left direction which some of that can be compensated by return of green, plaid and SNP supporters.
    I disagree with that. Many Labour supporters in the north are to the left of Labour (economically to the right socially) but merely vote Labour as its how working class people vote. Comparing Foot and Blair is stupid, the circumstances are very different. Blair came with the tories massively unpopular and before 1997 Blair appeared more left wing than he was later. Foot however had to compete with another party which split the left wing vote giving the Conservatives seats they would never have got before as well as the Falklands factor which took Thatcher from being massively unpopular to winning the election.
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    Looking at the 79-83 polls in not actually sure Thatcher was as unpopular as people think. I mean, the notion that Thatcher only won because of the Falklands is dependent on people actually believing polls which put the SDP-Liberal alliance on 50%.. Does anybody actually believe that.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Looking at the 79-83 polls in not actually sure Thatcher was as unpopular as people think. I mean, the notion that Thatcher only won because of the Falklands is dependent on people actually believing polls which put the SDP-Liberal alliance on 50%.. Does anybody actually believe that.
    Theres only one poll showing the Sdp-liberal alliance at 50% and the general trend is of a sharp conservative recovery during the war and just after. The effect could still be overstated however the split of the left wing vote helped the Conservatives gain seats where they notmally wouldnt.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
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    Do I have to be a British Citizen in order to be able to join Labour? I just want to joint the Young Labour 14-19. I can't vote, so does that mean I can't join the party? I've lived in England for 9 years now .. I've lived here longer than I've lived in my country of birth.
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    (Original post by Fleming1928)
    Do I have to be a British Citizen in order to be able to join Labour? I just want to joint the Young Labour 14-19. I can't vote, so does that mean I can't join the party? I've lived in England for 9 years now .. I've lived here longer than I've lived in my country of birth.
    You don't have to be a British Citizen to join TSR Labour and as far as I'm aware you don't need to be to join the wider UK Labour Party either.

    All the best, and welcome to the movement.
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    Do you believe in the Old labour from the far left which have real life examples of Milliband Skinner and Corbyn or the new labour era of Blair and Brown which is more center left
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    Do you believe in the Old labour from the far left which have real life examples of Milliband Skinner and Corbyn or the new labour era of Blair and Brown which is more center left
    Our members, like the real-life party, have a wide range of views. From true Blairites to committed socialists.

    On a different point I'd hardly lump Miliband in with Skinner and Corbyn lol
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Our members, like the real-life party, have a wide range of views. From true Blairites to committed socialists.

    On a different point I'd hardly lump Miliband in with Skinner and Corbyn lol
    He was substansially more left wing when compared with Blair and Browns office
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    He was substansially more left wing when compared with Blair and Browns office
    Indeed he was, I just think he's in a group of his own, between Blair/Brown and Corbyn/Skinner.
 
 
 
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