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    (Original post by xxvine)
    Because a lot of religious people don't beat their wives?
    Doesn't negate the fact that according to Islam it is OK to beat your wife though.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Nevertheless, a Muslim who is familiar with the Quran knows that he is allowed to beat his wife under certain condition. Allah has given him permission to do so.

    You can argue all you like about how severe the beating is allowed to be, or what acts of disobedience may be punished, but the fact remains that the Quran permits wife beating.
    Whether or not his specific actions were strictly justified under different interpretations, he would have believed that Islam gave him permission to beat his wife under certain conditions.
    And he would have been right.
    Because it does.
    And whose fault is that? Clearly if he was "familiar" with the Qu'ran than he would not have done any of the sort.
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    Well maybe he was like the sandy hook shooter. Just mentally ill and used the religion to justify his hate.
    In other words, his justification for his actions came from his religion.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I don't find physical abuse amusing no matter how you wrap it up

    But you've basically confirmed what I said
    Define physical abuse and look at my other reply to the other individual. Peace
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    Just mentally ill and used the religion to justify his hate.
    Thanks for confirming Islam can be used to justify hate
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    (Original post by WhiteMan16)
    Indeed. Because having easy access to guns has almost totally eliminated death by gunshot in the USA. A salutory lesson for the rest of the world.
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    (Original post by Raizelcadres)
    Define physical abuse and look at my other reply. Peace
    I have but you confirmed it is OK in certain circumstances to use physical violence against a wife

    'can only be used as a last resort '
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I have but you confirmed it is OK in certain circumstances to use physical violence against a wife

    'can only be used as a last resort '
    Define physical violence and here is the definition of beating which I copied from my other reply " Islams definition of "beating" is that you must first of all not "hit" her anywhere near the face, you must not "hit" her so hard that her skin turns red (go on experiment on your wrist by hitting gently and you will see it turns red just with minimal force), skin starts bleeding, bruises and bones are to be broken. This is all not allowed. The reason why "beating" is used as LAST RESORT is to show serious one is."
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Or maybe he was genuinely religious.
    We will never know
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    (Original post by Raizelcadres)
    Define physical violence and here is the definition of beating which I copied from my other reply " Islams definition of "beating" is that you must first of all not "hit" her anywhere near the face, you must not "hit" her so hard that her skin turns red (go on experiment on your wrist by hitting gently and you will see it turns red just with minimal force), skin starts bleeding, bruises and bones are to be broken. This is all not allowed. The reason why "beating" is used as LAST RESORT is to show serious one is."
    I'm not the one defending wife beating

    I'm simply pointing out the facts

    Islam allows you to beat your wife (how hard is up for discussion but that is all)

    he beat his wife

    Some now claim that beating your wife is wrong so he must have been mentally ill despite this being allowed in Islam

    All I am doing is showing the stupidity of such claims
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    (Original post by Raizelcadres)
    Lool smh. Please look at what I said, the definition of beating is completely different in Islam than what you think. Islams definition of "beating" is that you must first of all not "hit" her anywhere near the face, you must not "hit" her so hard that her skin turns red (go on experiment on your wrist by hitting gently and you will see it turns red just with minimal force), skin starts bleeding, bruises and bones are to be broken. This is all not allowed. The reason why "beating" is used as LAST RESORT is to show serious one is.

    Hope it helps.
    So, you agree that the Quran permits Muslims to beat their wives under certain conditions.

    And you are defending this? SMH
    I guess that you also claim that "Islamic slavery" is not a bad thing.

    BTW, I came off my mountain bike a couple of months ago. Hurt like **** for days, but there wasn't a mark on me. You don't have to leave marks for it to hurt.

    But just as important, it is what it says about the dynamics of a Muslim marriage.
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    We will never know
    Yes we will

    The facts will all come out
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    (Original post by Raizelcadres)
    Define physical violence and here is the definition of beating which I copied from my other reply " Islams definition of "beating" is that you must first of all not "hit" her anywhere near the face, you must not "hit" her so hard that her skin turns red (go on experiment on your wrist by hitting gently and you will see it turns red just with minimal force), skin starts bleeding, bruises and bones are to be broken. This is all not allowed. The reason why "beating" is used as LAST RESORT is to show serious one is."
    So you can still commit battery, a crime worth six months in prison and a £5000 fine, and that's just allowed because women are viewed as inferior? And people wonder why others have a healthy dislike for many organised religions.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Thanks for confirming Islam can be used to justify hate
    Where did i say that
    stop putting words in my mouth...

    What i meant was that this was clearly a sick individual...his wife confirmed it didn't she? She said he wasn't very religious or was he...I don't know?

    Religion is a problem as we have seen countless people kill in the name of religion but America's gun culture is the biggest problem. He wouldn't have been able to do what he did so easily if gun laws were restricted.
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    Where did i say that
    stop putting words in my mouth...

    What i meant was that this was clearly a sick individual...his wife confirmed it didn't she? She said he wasn't very religious or was he...I don't know?

    Religion is a problem as we have seen countless people kill in the name of religion but America's gun culture is the biggest problem. He wouldn't have been able to do what he did so easily if gun laws were restricted.
    Exactly. People say "but terrorists will find a way!". It doesn't matter. He got those guns legally.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Yes we will

    The facts will all come out
    The biggest problem is America's gun laws not even ISIS in this case.

    We have seen countless school shootings in America committed without any relation to religion.

    They will never learn sadly.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So, you agree that the Quran permits Muslims to beat their wives under certain conditions.

    And you are defending this? SMH
    I guess that you also claim that "Islamic slavery" is not a bad thing.

    BTW, I came off my mountain bike a couple of months ago. Hurt like **** for days, but there wasn't a mark on me. You don't have to leave marks for it to hurt.

    But just as important, it is what it says about the dynamics of a Muslim marriage.

    I wonder if water boarding would be OK!

    Doesn't leave a mark at all
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I'm not the one defending wife beating

    I'm simply pointing out the facts

    Islam allows you to beat your wife (how hard is up for discussion but that is all)

    he beat his wife

    Some now claim that beating your wife is wrong so he must have been mentally ill despite this being allowed in Islam

    All I am doing is showing the stupidity of such claims
    Oh, I see. But the way you make it sound is that "beating" your wife for just not dressing the way he wanted her to and not cooking around the house. These factors are mainly due to culture (which can be a lovely and horrible thing)
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    The biggest problem is America's gun laws not even ISIS in this case.

    We have seen countless school shootings in America committed without any relation to religion.

    They will never learn sadly.
    Muslims have still been able to commit mass murder within countries that have strict gun laws

    The common thing in all these attack and the problem is not 'individual countries' gun laws but the Muslims commenting the slaughter in the name of Islam
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So, you agree that the Quran permits Muslims to beat their wives under certain conditions.

    And you are defending this? SMH
    I guess that you also claim that "Islamic slavery" is not a bad thing.

    BTW, I came off my mountain bike a couple of months ago. Hurt like **** for days, but there wasn't a mark on me. You don't have to leave marks for it to hurt.

    But just as important, it is what it says about the dynamics of a Muslim marriage.
    I don't know why your focusing so much on religion here when gun laws should be the main taking point.

    This guy was able to get hold of a gun and kill 50 people within minutes. We saw Adam Lanza walk into a school and kill 26 people within 5 minutes and he wasn't a muslim. He still was a terrorist though.

    The fact that everybody is talking about religion just deviates from the main problem. Only in America though.
 
 
 
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