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    (Original post by alextheowl)
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    RL Labour is bloody unpopular atm and that is a tragedy. And our manifesto consciously evokes a more modern, less Corbyn-esque feel to what we might have otherwise written. However I suspect that Labour is more popular with students now than it was in 2009, even if that's not reflected in the demographics as a whole.
    That was post-financial crisis though, when the Tories started up their propaganda about how it was Labour's fault.
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    (Original post by alextheowl)
    Haha you know what I mean. They want to remove some newer policies, and that in essence is different.

    PS: I don't agree with everything everyone from UKIP says, either, but they're still the best in my opinion.
    UKIP here are nutters. Their former leader (and in fairness he did this on his own and not with the party) put forward a bill to segregate school children based on social class. Not performance in an 11+ test or whatever. By the income of their parents. Because he didn't believe that posh kids like himself should have to associate with poorer ones. TSR UKIP is what keeps me left-wing, their members remind me how bad the right-wing get - especially in young people who's views tend to go towards the extreme of whatever they support. The party has proposed immigration bills that are so punitive they'd stop our citizens getting back home from holiday as well as prevent all immigration from countries we'd consider allies. It would even bar British citizens if they'd happened to have been to Egypt in the last decade. We've seen bills that would see the British-born children of illegal immigrants deported (to countries that they have no stake in) and a bill to ban all spoken languages except English (made even more ridiculous in a United Kingdom with several native languages like Welsh and Gaelic). They tried to amend the Human Rights Act so that human-****ing-rights only applied to UK citizens. They are the worst option.

    If you happen to be right-wing and I can't convince you that TSR Labour actually tries to help people rather than vilify them from a ultra-paranoid bubble of hatred then I'd urge you to vote for the TSR Conservatives. They're not great, but they've kept hold of their senses and in most cases their humanity.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    That was post-financial crisis though, when the Tories started up their propaganda about how it was Labour's fault.
    I'm afraid I don't follow your point.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I'm afraid I don't follow your point.
    Labour weren't doing well 2009/10 because of the 2008 global financial crisis, and the right's tabloids started blaming Labour and the Tories jumped on the bandwagon claiming that they'd clean up Labour's mess, despite it not actually being their fault directly.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Labour weren't doing well 2009/10 because of the 2008 global financial crisis, and the right's tabloids started blaming Labour and the Tories jumped on the bandwagon claiming that they'd clean up Labour's mess, despite it not actually being their fault directly.
    Yeah I'm aware, but how does that relate to what I was saying. Or was it just a 'by the way' sort of point?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Yeah I'm aware, but how does that relate to what I was saying. Or was it just a 'by the way' sort of point?
    You said "I suspect that Labour is more popular with students now than it was in 2009, even if that's not reflected in the demographics as a whole." and I was agreeing because of the widely-held misconception that Labour were somehow to blame for the 2008 crisis.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    You said "I suspect that Labour is more popular with students now than it was in 2009, even if that's not reflected in the demographics as a whole." and I was agreeing because of the widely-held misconception that Labour were somehow to blame for the 2008 crisis.
    Oh I see. Indeed.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Oh I see. Indeed.



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    I don't remember Labour being blamed for the financial crisis back in 2009, and it certainly wasn't why they lost the election in 2010 - they lost in large part because of Gordon Brown's terrible personality, people just wanted a change.
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    But they were to blame, left wing economics is reliant on constant loans to pay for the gargantuan state that leftists create, they shouldn't expect to not be blamed for being asked to actually pay those loans back when the banks that gave them hit a tight spot.

    I'll refer you to that Hayek quote again:

    "If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialist"
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I don't remember Labour being blamed for the financial crisis back in 2009, and it certainly wasn't why they lost the election in 2010 - they lost in large part because of Gordon Brown's terrible personality, people just wanted a change.
    I googled 'Tory 2010 poster' and the first one said 'we need to sort the economy out'. They absolutely blamed the crisis on Labour and Cameron continued to bring it up constantly during his first term.
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    But they were to blame, left wing economics is reliant on constant loans to pay for the gargantuan state that leftists create, they shouldn't expect to not be blamed for being asked to actually pay those loans back when the banks that gave them hit a tight spot.

    I'll refer you to that Hayek quote again:

    "If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialist"
    Case in point: the Weimar Republic under Gustav Stresemann; everyone loved him for taking American loans and creating a great society, until the Great Recession came along and it all came crashing down, he was the proto Tony Blair.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I googled 'Tory 2010 poster' and the first one said 'we need to sort the economy out'. They absolutely blamed the crisis on Labour and Cameron continued to bring it up constantly during his first term.
    Yes but I don't remember anyone talking about that on the streets. I don't think that is why they lost the GE, as I say, they were (and had been for some time) just very unpopular.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Yes but I don't remember anyone talking about that on the streets. I don't think that is why they lost the GE, as I say, they were (and had been for some time) just very unpopular.
    Fair enough, I don't recall the mood at the time. But general rule of thumb - recessions are bad for the ruling party. :/ Tbh if Brown called a snap election he probably would have had a a decent shot at winning. He could have been the change people wanted, unfortunately his failure to do that just added 'cowardly' to the already long list of accusations that could be thrown at him.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    But they were to blame, left wing economics is reliant on constant loans to pay for the gargantuan state that leftists create, they shouldn't expect to not be blamed for being asked to actually pay those loans back when the banks that gave them hit a tight spot.
    The root cause of the 2008 crisis was deregulation of the financial sector. Left-wing economics was pro-regulation.

    I'll refer you to that Hayek quote again:

    "If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialist"
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Case in point: the Weimar Republic under Gustav Stresemann; everyone loved him for taking American loans and creating a great society, until the Great Recession came along and it all came crashing down, he was the proto Tony Blair.
    You think the Fincancial Crisis was brought about by the mechanisms that caused the Weimar crash? Serious question here, are you making a political comparison (very dodgy unless you're comparing the hardly popular Coalition government to the rise of populist Nazism) or a economic comparison (plainly and totally incorrect)?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    You think the Fincancial Crisis was brought about by the mechanisms that caused the Weimar crash? Serious question here, are you making a political comparison (very dodgy unless you're comparing the hardly popular Coalition government to the rise of populist Nazism) or a economic comparison (plainly and totally incorrect)?
    That isn't what I'm saying, I'm saying that a social democratic, concessionist (applies to Blair and Stresemann) took out loans to create a better state to make his people happy after a slump (hyperinflation in Weimar Germany; the ERM fiasco and Black Wednesday in Britain) then the loans dried up, creating an even worse financial crisis (depression/recession) and the two politicians in question both disappeared from the stage.
 
 
 
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