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    The threats are clearly wrong, but I don't get why she berates Philip Davies for not retweeting the threats sent to her; surely doing so would be illegal/ only encourage more people to pile in and threaten her?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I'm not denying that when she laughed at men's suicide people said it I am talking about any threat on Sunday night when she alleges she got 600
    If there's evidence that she's been threatened with rape/sexual assault in the past, then it logically follows that it would have happened again, particularly in the context.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    The threats are clearly wrong, but I don't get why she berates Philip Davies for not retweeting the threats sent to her; surely doing so would be illegal/ only encourage more people to pile in and threaten her?
    Given the wording of the berating, I think it's likely that he'd previously retweeted something she didn't agree with and she was more pointing out what she perceived as his hypocrisy.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    The video wasn't all about that that he went through more of her article and other things

    What she has said is dishonest and i think it undermines people who do actually have problems.
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    That's the video I'm not sure what part he mentions it in.
    I mean, the author of this video is either spectacularly stupid or intellectually disonest to the nth level. When considering freedom of speech, you can't just reduce it to everyone being physically (and legally) able to say or write whatever they want. It's ultimately about increasing the value of discussion, and you're deluding yourself if you think someone who is severely rebuked on the basis of their gender alone in a particular forum whenever they express themselves has freedom of speech in any meaningful sense.
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    If there's evidence that she's been threatened with rape/sexual assault in the past, then it logically follows that it would have happened again, particularly in the context.
    I want actual evidence especially when she also mentions police action.
    I've been assaulted in the past does that mean no evidence would be needed if I accused you of assaulting me?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Given the wording of the berating, I think it's likely that he'd previously retweeted something she didn't agree with and she was more pointing out what she perceived as his hypocrisy.
    The problem is that in that situation, it is kind of fanning the flames a bit - I have no problem with her pointing out hypocrisy, but when the situation is only getting worse, don't encourage it by hitting out.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I want actual evidence especially when she also mentions police action.
    I've been assaulted in the past does that mean no evidence would be needed if I accused you of assaulting me?
    Yes, but she's clearly not actually refusing to provide evidence to the police or to the proper authorities. She's just refused to provide it on Twitter - and why should she?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I mean, the author of this video is either spectacularly stupid or intellectually disonest to the nth level. When considering freedom of speech, you can't just reduce it to everyone being physically (and legally) able to say or write whatever they want. It's ultimately about increasing the value of discussion, and you're deluding yourself if you think someone who is severely rebuked on the basis of their gender alone in a particular forum whenever they express themselves has freedom of speech in any meaningful sense.
    The person who has been dishonest is Jess phillips, have you watched the video?
    He doesn't rebuke her on her gender just what she says but you put gender into the argument.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Yes, but she's clearly not actually refusing to provide evidence to the police or to the proper authorities. She's just refused to provide it on Twitter - and why should she?
    I was watching this on Sunday night and yesterday and today I've yet to see 1 actual threat and when national newspapers and to are also talking about it then they should provide evidence, the bbc had her on with no evidence and with out anyone being able to reply to what she has said it would be pretty easy to contact the person who first said it they have his details of when he complained about their biased coverage before.

    Newspapers have even closed comment sections when asked to prove evidence of their claims

    People have spent hours going through the feed and have not found 1 threat.
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    To all of those saying the EU does not aspire to being a state (and those who assert it does equally), note this: according to article one of the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States it can already be defined as a state.

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    The provider of blood plasma to the Health service next to be privatised it seems.

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    To all of those saying the EU does not aspire to being a state (and those who assert it does equally), note this: according to article one of the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States it can already be defined as a state.

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    From what I can see so do many unrecognised states.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    The person who has been dishonest is Jess phillips, have you watched the video?
    He doesn't rebuke her on her gender just what she says but you put gender into the argument.
    The context is nevertheless one of gender politics; rape threats on the internet are undeniably overwhelmingly targeted towards women.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    The context is nevertheless one of gender politics; rape threats on the internet are undeniably overwhelmingly targeted towards women.
    and thankfully there was no rape threats
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    and thankfully there was no rape threats
    If someone says there were, I'm inclined to believe there were, especially given the evidence there were none is declining to reply to some nobody on twitter.

    I mean, you might not be, but the majority of people who question that sort of thing tend to be lunatic MRA types so I'd block you in that spot too.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    If someone says there were, I'm inclined to believe there were, especially given the evidence there were none is declining to reply to some nobody on twitter.

    I mean, you might not be, but the majority of people who question that sort of thing tend to be lunatic MRA types so I'd block you in that spot too.
    I questioned it and people have gone through the entire time line and there are none, if you don't believe me check it yourself.

    Also consider when she laughed at male suicide the newspapers published the threats why not today?

    Her own words show there wasn't a threat to rape 'They're saying that they don’t want to rape me'
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I questioned it and people have gone through the entire time line and there are none, if you don't believe me check it yourself.

    Also consider when she laughed at male suicide the newspapers published the threats why not today?

    Her own words show there wasn't a threat to rape 'They're saying that they don’t want to rape me'
    'time line' - you know DM is a thing on twitter, and a far more likely location for rape threats to be made, right? Furthermore, rape threats which are reported will result in the post being removed and the account being banned. This doesn't amount to evidence.

    Source on your second point? Normally I wouldn't ask, but you've proven yourself on this point to be twisting things an unbelievable amount so it feels more appropriate.

    Her own words do not show that. She's referring to a single youtuber. If she's said rape threats have been made, then short of very strong evidence, it's safe to assume they've been made.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    'time line' - you know DM is a thing on twitter, and a far more likely location for rape threats to be made, right? Furthermore, rape threats which are reported will result in the post being removed and the account being banned. This doesn't amount to evidence.

    Source on your second point? Normally I wouldn't ask, but you've proven yourself on this point to be twisting things an unbelievable amount so it feels more appropriate.

    Her own words do not show that. She's referring to a single youtuber. If she's said rape threats have been made, then short of very strong evidence, it's safe to assume they've been made.
    I think shes absolitely right.

    By the youtuber implying that not wanting to rape her is somehow an insult hes effectively saying that rape threats should be treated as compliments.

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    'time line' - you know DM is a thing on twitter, and a far more likely location for rape threats to be made, right? Furthermore, rape threats which are reported will result in the post being removed and the account being banned. This doesn't amount to evidence.

    Source on your second point? Normally I wouldn't ask, but you've proven yourself on this point to be twisting things an unbelievable amount so it feels more appropriate.

    Her own words do not show that. She's referring to a single youtuber. If she's said rape threats have been made, then short of very strong evidence, it's safe to assume they've been made.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6714756.html
    A threat is shown yet none in

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...ml#commentsDiv
    None in there

    Why is that?

    So essentially someone's word is enough for you to believe them that criminal activity has taken place, I hope you never get jury duty.
 
 
 
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