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    (Original post by green.tea)
    Look at the BBC report I posted. "Nothing unusual here at the China NK border". Interesting China has denied its happening and our media seems to be taking Chinas "no, stop it, don't" to NK more seriously that the prescience of their army. Evidently both sides are wanting to play down the scale of the potential conflict and Russia's warning shot was a message for governments, not for us.
    Nothing going on in the middle of a civilian town on the border. Nothing intriguing there. Plenty of other news outlets are covering the fact that Chinese forces in the area have beefed up, that there's a Chinese navy exercise going on at the moment and that their local air force has 'woken up'.

    However, all of these say the Chinese military is building up on the border:
    http://freebeacon.com/risky-business/
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/45...tary-drill.htm
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/brea...-30203362.html
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ry-buildup-ne/
    http://glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com...antry-brigade/
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ensions-tanks/
    https://theextinctionprotocol.wordpr...korean-border/
    http://www.ethiopianreview.com/articles/500786

    Still think it's secret?
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    Aaand back to the lighter mood:
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Aaand back to the lighter mood:
    Where the hell did they get all those medals? Korean War II?
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    (Original post by Namige)
    Where the hell did they get all those medals? Korean War II?
    1. Photoshop.
    2. NK has a habit of giving out many medals for where you've been based and for time served.
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    North Korea: US Deploys Spy Plane To Japan


    The US brings forwards its drone deployment to Japan after North Korea moves two missiles on mobile launchers to its east coast.

    Tensions remain high on the Korean Peninsula amid reports the US has deployed an unmanned spy plane to Japan to boost its surveillance after North Korea readied missile launchers on its east coast.

    The Global Hawk will be stationed at the US airbase in Misawa, northern Japan, in the first ever deployment of the aircraft in the country, the Sankei Shimbun reported, quoting government sources.

    The US military informed Japan last month about plans to deploy the plane between June and September but has brought the date forward.

    It comes after North Korea warned foreign diplomats they may not be safe in the country if war breaks out.





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    North Korea's nuclear weapon capabilities questioned - World


    May be able to fire a nuclear-tipped missile at S. Korea, Japan, say some experts


    North Korea is widely recognized as being years away from perfecting the technology to back up its bold threats of a pre-emptive strike on the United States. But some nuclear experts say it might have the know-how to fire a nuclear-tipped missile at South Korea and Japan, which host U.S. military bases.

    No one can tell with any certainty how much technological progress North Korea has made, aside from perhaps a few people close to its secretive leadership. And it is highly unlikely that Pyongyang would launch such an attack, because the retaliation would be devastating.

    The North's third nuclear test on Feb. 12, which prompted the toughest UN Security Council sanctions yet against Pyongyang, is presumed to have advanced its ability to miniaturize a nuclear device. And experts say it's easier to design a nuclear warhead that works on a shorter-range missile than one for an intercontinental missile that could target the U.S.

    The assessment of David Albright at the Institute for Science and International Security think-tank is that North Korea has the capability to mount a warhead on its Rodong missile, which has a range of 1,280 kilometres and could hit South Korea and most of Japan. But he cautioned in his analysis, published after the latest nuclear test, that it is an uncertain estimate, and the warhead's reliability remains unclear.

    Albright contends that the experience of Pakistan could serve as precedent. Pakistan bought the Rodong from North Korea after its first flight test in 1993, then adapted and produced it for its own use. Pakistan, which conducted its first nuclear test in 1998, is said to have taken less than 10 years to miniaturize a warhead before that test, Albright said....

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    In light of the recent news that China is massing troops etc on the North Korean border, what do you guys think the purpose is for?

    Some say it is simply a precaution in light of North Korea's escalating threats - i.e. to stop waves of refugees fleeing into China in the event of an attack by NK/an invasion by outside forces. So, that's one reason.

    Another reason - albeit questionable and apparently lacking credibility according to some - is that China is preparing to enforce its defense pact with North Korea should North Korea be attacked. But such would mean China would go up against South Korea and more shockingly, the United States. This reason is questionable, especially given the modern relationship between China and the United States and how little benefit China derives from having North Korea as an ally (except for providing a buffer against encroaching US influence and power).

    There could be a lot more reasons, such as another speculative one - namely, that China is fed up and is going to invade its ally itself. It is interesting because it is highly doubtful that in the event of an invasion by China (which should be shocking to and unexpected by NK) that North Korea would dare attack China. But then again, if China wanted to swiftly and neatly solve the situation, instead of a mass invasion of NK, it could surely *take out* Kim Jong-Un and certain "problem" generals, no?

    What do you guys think?
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Nothing going on in the middle of a civilian town on the border. Nothing intriguing there. Plenty of other news outlets are covering the fact that Chinese forces in the area have beefed up, that there's a Chinese navy exercise going on at the moment and that their local air force has 'woken up'.

    However, all of these say the Chinese military is building up on the border:
    http://freebeacon.com/risky-business/
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/45...tary-drill.htm
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/brea...-30203362.html
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ry-buildup-ne/
    http://glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com...antry-brigade/
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ensions-tanks/
    https://theextinctionprotocol.wordpr...korean-border/
    http://www.ethiopianreview.com/articles/500786

    Still think it's secret?
    I didn't say its a secret I said its being played down and it is. You have two of the worlds two most powerful armies amassing at either end of a peninsula and the media is barely bothering to mention that one of them is there. I'd say its a pretty significant omission. The BBC must have picked the only part of the border where tanks aren't from which to send us their deeply relevant report. Lets hope we have them reporting from a hill next time there's a flood to tell us that the ground seems dry. When the buildup does get mentioned we get this rubbish about how China doesn't like NK anymore and is probably just sending tanks to run over the NK refugees. Therefore its being played down by the media, which is what I said.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    In light of the recent news that China is massing troops etc on the North Korean border, what do you guys think the purpose is for?

    Some say it is simply a precaution in light of North Korea's escalating threats - i.e. to stop waves of refugees fleeing into China in the event of an attack by NK/an invasion by outside forces. So, that's one reason.

    Another reason - albeit questionable and apparently lacking credibility according to some - is that China is preparing to enforce its defense pact with North Korea should North Korea be attacked. But such would mean China would go up against South Korea and more shockingly, the United States. This reason is questionable, especially given the modern relationship between China and the United States and how little benefit China derives from having North Korea as an ally (except for providing a buffer against encroaching US influence and power).

    There could be a lot more reasons, such as another speculative one - namely, that China is fed up and is going to invade its ally itself. It is interesting because it is highly doubtful that in the event of an invasion by China (which should be shocking to and unexpected by NK) that North Korea would dare attack China. But then again, if China wanted to swiftly and neatly solve the situation, instead of a mass invasion of NK, it could surely *take out* Kim Jong-Un and certain "problem" generals, no?

    What do you guys think?
    I think North Korea deserves our tolerance, forgiveness and understanding.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    I didn't say its a secret I said its being played down and it is. You have two of the worlds two most powerful armies amassing at either end of a peninsula and the media is barely bothering to mention that one of them is there. I'd say its a pretty significant omission. When they do get mentioned we get this rubbish about how China doesn't like NK anymore and is probably just sending tanks to run over the NK refugees. Therefore its being played down by the media, which is what I said.
    See my post just above about possible reasons.

    China's massing of troops may not be to repel the US (which is highly unlikely). It could be to scare NK, to invade NK, to stop any potential refugees etc etc (see post above for more).
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    (Original post by democracyforum)
    I think North Korea deserves our tolerance, forgiveness and understanding.
    What are you on about? In what way? :curious:
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    See my post just above about possible reasons.

    China's massing of troops may not be to repel the US (which is highly unlikely). It could be to scare NK, to invade NK, to stop any potential refugees etc etc (see post above for more).
    Your basing this on what China has said not what China has done/is doing. What happened to that aircraft carrier they bought from Russia that they said they were going to turn into a casino?

    You don't need aircraft carriers for casinos and you don't need tanks for refugees.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    Your basing this on what China has said not what China has done/is doing. What happened to that aircraft carrier they bought from Russia that they said they were going to turn into a casino?

    You don't need aircraft carriers for casinos and you don't need tanks for refugees.
    Yes, that's precisely why I also put other possible reasons in that post above the quoted. :yes:

    I wasn't saying that that was by far the only reason or indeed the reason for the massing of Chinese troops on NK's borders.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
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    By the way, you don't still seriously think that China will enter a direct conflict with the US, do you? That's as likely as ancient astronauts "returning" to Earth on Monday. There will be nothing to gain on the part of both sides - all such would result in is a massive loss of life and economic apocalypse.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    Your basing this on what China has said not what China has done/is doing. What happened to that aircraft carrier they bought from Russia that they said they were going to turn into a casino?

    You don't need aircraft carriers for casinos and you don't need tanks for refugees.
    It was bought as a casino but the company didn't get a license. It sat [well, floated] derelict for 7yrs before the PLAN took it on and started to refit it.

    It's being used to train their navy. They're using the experience gained from running it and putting that towards carriers they are building that will work 'fully'.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    Yes, that's precisely why I also put other possible reasons in that post above the quoted. :yes:

    I wasn't saying that that was by far the only reason or indeed the reason for the massing of Chinese troops on NK's borders.
    But still this stuff about China not liking NK anymore is based on words and little else. Their saying they're pissed off with them now hasn't resulted them exercising much leverage. They say NK has really done it this time, agree with the international community should really try to do something and in terms of action this translates into sending Jim Jong a cheaper brand of cigarettes. China doesn't need tanks to stop a country that is pretty much totally reliant on them for supplies.
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    (Original post by advice_guru)
    I don't see why everyone is passing off North Korea as a joke when it comes to their threats.

    1) They have nuclear weapons around 5-7 kilotons, this is small for a nuclear weapon but large enough to use in an EMP
    2) North Korea can hit the US, they launched a satellite into space. If you can get a satellite into Space you can hit the US.

    Now for people not aware of what an EMP does, let me explain. EMP or Electro Magnetic Pulse is generated when a Nuclear Bomb is denoted high up in the atmosphere. An EMP can wipe out ALL ELECTRONICS.

    So an EMP detonated over the US would wipe out the National Grid, your Mobile Phones, your TV, your Cars (supposedly the car battery would be effected).

    This ultimately would lead to mass looting and a breakdown of society in general.
    Firstly, NK have no proven inter-continental ballistic missile capability. The ICBMs the claim the credibility of, and to have attached nucleatr warheads to, are medium-range and - by implication - cannot hit the U.S. mainland (not that the relevant target makes any morally relevant difference). Secondly, the recent mounting rhetorical exchange of threats is merely a mis-managed affirmation of mutual deterrence gone awry under NK's excessive rhetoric and Kim's attempt to bolster his position domestically through conjugating an immanent external threat (a political strategem not uncommon). No one is going to purposefully compel their own destruction.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    But still this stuff about China not liking NK anymore is based on words and little else. Their saying they're pissed off with them now hasn't resulted them exercising much leverage. They say NK has really done it this time, agree with the international community should really try to do something and in terms of action this translates into sending Jim Jong a cheaper brand of cigarettes. China doesn't need tanks to stop a country that is pretty much totally reliant on them for supplies.
    So what exactly do you think the massing of Chinese forces on the border are for then? :holmes:
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    So what exactly do you think the massing of Chinese forces on the border are for then? :holmes:
    I think SK and the US are squaring up to NK, China and possibly also Russia. You talk as tho only China would lose out if it went to war with the US and the US would remain unscathed. Trade is a two way thing.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    I think SK and the US are squaring up to NK, China and possibly also Russia. You talk as tho only China would lose out if it went to war with the US and the US would remain unscathed. Trade is a two way thing.


    Yes, but the difference is that the US would be going against North Korea, not China.

    This is exactly why neither the US or China will not go to war against each other - I thought I'd made that clear earlier. Both nations realise that their economies are so interlinked together that warring against each other would ensure mutual destabilisation and downfall.

    Also, this isn't so much East vs. West anymore - such relationships have softened a lot since then. These nations (i.e. US, China, Russia) are "friendlier" towards each other now due to money, trade etc etc.
 
 
 
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