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    (Original post by V ugvg jhi)
    Also, more people in private schools get extra time.Just another way to disadvantage those not from the upper class.The system is being abused by the private schools, and doesn't reflect how things would be in real life. Many people who know how to fail the test deliberately do so, to make sure they get the time without deserving it.



    SCRAP EXTRA TIME!!!!!
    I was in private education from the age of 4 until 16, only received extra time once I moved to an academy for sixth form. Barely anybody at my private school had extra time compared to where I am now. And I think you ought to educate yourself in the class system, you're getting confused with upper class and middle class.
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    Could I just say that this clearly shows that you believe that hard work, knowledge and intelligence is what should be tested (I personally agree) - but not everyone agrees. As I said above, many people believe that exams should just be a test of what you can get done in a certain time limit and everything, including disabilites, is therefore being tested. You may not agree, in teh same way I disagree with that point of view, but it is a valid view and you should accept that.

    Just my two cents.
    This is only really a valid view if time is a key skill being tested otherwise the test will not do what it set out to do- as such I do think that view is highly ridiculous. A such at medical school some of the oral/ practicle examinations do not have an extra time allowance for anyone as they test your ability in a situation where time is important but other exams (written recall) extra time is allowed because time is not a key to the function of the assessment, which is the primary point is to assess your knowledge.
    As i tried to say if time is a key to the aims of the assent then this is a perfectly valid point of view but otherwise I just feel the people holding the view are a little on the stupid side as I am yet to see a good justification for its generic application.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    An employer will want 8 hours work not 6 thats what they are paying you for, tests for graduate schemes that employers will give you often have tight time limits just as exams.As I have said before exams have strict time limits so clearly speed is being assessed and thus slow processing should result in a lower grade.
    As some one already pointed out the flaw in this argument being that in the most cases we will not pick a job that doesn't already have the adjusment inherent in the job description. My dad is one of the UK's leading muscular skeletal radiologists and his sister is the UK's Chief Medical Officer both have show strong sign of having slow processing speeds- hence funny neither are emergency room doctors but chose option where a slow, methodical approach to their work was necessary to best outcomes. It is not special adjustment for them its just there weakness is also their strength comes to the job they come/ is required by their job description.
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    This is only really a valid view if time is a key skill being tested otherwise the test will not do what it set out to do- as such I do think that view is highly ridiculous. A such at medical school some of the oral/ practicle examinations do not have an extra time allowance for anyone as they test your ability in a situation where time is important but other exams (written recall) extra time is allowed because time is not a key to the function of the assessment, which is the primary point is to assess your knowledge.
    As i tried to say if time is a key to the aims of the assent then this is a perfectly valid point of view but otherwise I just feel the people holding the view are a little on the stupid side as I am yet to see a good justification for its generic application.
    A good justification is to stop moaning like lil *****es and get on with it.
    No one is judging you as a person but in fact...lots of people think the need for extra time is a falacy.
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    A good justification is to stop moaning like lil *****es and get on with it.
    No one is judging you as a person but in fact...lots of people think the need for extra time is a falacy.
    Right now I think there is only one person moaning and that is not me. And with regards to the get on with it comment- I very much do- as such would love to see you do a day as me.- not an exam a day. Judging by your posts your patience would not last beyond 7 am.
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    (Original post by OturuDansay)
    That's no one elses problem though? I used to be really slow at understanding but then my dad kept on getting on at me so to save myself anymore torture i got better and faster, like everyone else learns to do. I just got on with it, instead of moaning and finding an excuse for my failures.
    A learning disability isn't an excuse. It's well documented that people with Autism do have problems with how they understand language.
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    As someone who gets 25% extra time, I think it's perfectly fair for certain people to receive extra time. People who say to me it's not fair that I get more time often do not understand the reasons why I get extra time. I get extra time because my processing speed is incredibly low (my test result was below the first percentile) and because I find it difficult to concentrate (so if my mind wanders during the exam, I still have time to finish it).

    I do understand however that indeed, it is unfair when people cheat the system to receive extra time. However, it is incredibly difficult to successfully do this, as you must have evidence that before the extra time you were underperforming and not finishing exams, have a low test score in at least 1 section that supports any disability you have, and mountains of evidence that after receiving extra time your exam results are improving.

    In total, it took me 2 years to gather all the evidence I needed, so unless you fail exams on purpose for 2 years and fail the test on purpose, then you shouldn't be able to get extra time for no reason in exams.
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    As someone who gets 25% extra time, I think it's perfectly fair for certain people to receive extra time. People who say to me it's not fair that I get more time often do not understand the reasons why I get extra time. I get extra time because my processing speed is incredibly low (my test result was below the first percentile) and because I find it difficult to concentrate (so if my mind wanders during the exam, I still have time to finish it).

    I do understand however that indeed, it is unfair when people cheat the system to receive extra time. However, it is incredibly difficult to successfully do this, as you must have evidence that before the extra time you were underperforming and not finishing exams, have a low test score in at least 1 section that supports any disability you have, and mountains of evidence that after receiving extra time your exam results are improving.

    In total, it took me 2 years to gather all the evidence I needed, so unless you fail exams on purpose for 2 years and fail the test on purpose, then you shouldn't be able to get extra time for no reason in exams.
    It took you 2 years to gather evidence? I have never heard of the process taking so long.
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    (Original post by Tinka99)
    It took you 2 years to gather evidence? I have never heard of the process taking so long.
    Yep. Maybe other schools don't tell the students what's being sent off as evidence. My SENCo told me everything she was sending off, so I know that in total, it was around 2 years to collect everything I needed to supply the exam board with full evidence I needed it.
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    (Original post by Shiba_Inu)
    As someone who gets 25% extra time, I think it's perfectly fair for certain people to receive extra time. People who say to me it's not fair that I get more time often do not understand the reasons why I get extra time. I get extra time because my processing speed is incredibly low (my test result was below the first percentile) and because I find it difficult to concentrate (so if my mind wanders during the exam, I still have time to finish it).

    I do understand however that indeed, it is unfair when people cheat the system to receive extra time. However, it is incredibly difficult to successfully do this, as you must have evidence that before the extra time you were underperforming and not finishing exams, have a low test score in at least 1 section that supports any disability you have, and mountains of evidence that after receiving extra time your exam results are improving.

    In total, it took me 2 years to gather all the evidence I needed, so unless you fail exams on purpose for 2 years and fail the test on purpose, then you shouldn't be able to get extra time for no reason in exams.
    Why shouldn't these skills be tested on exams?I think they can be very difficult skills to master for a lot of people who can struggle with processing and concentration skills.

    If I was an employer I would hire someone with high/normal processing speed(I would want them to produce as much work as possible in their 9-5 job to a good standard) and good concentration(I would want them to be focused on their work) over someone who had low processing and poor concentration if they had the same skills elsewhere.So its clear to me that individuals without these important skills must have to make it up elsewhere so they shouldn't get extra time.

    I think exams test the strength of your brain, depending on which exam different areas of the brain will be tested those good for Math or Language etc and thus people with learning disabilities due to weaker areas of the brain shouldn't get extra time(most learning disabilities have be shown to be due to weaker areas of the brain).
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    (Original post by Shiba_Inu)
    Yep. Maybe other schools don't tell the students what's being sent off as evidence. My SENCo told me everything she was sending off, so I know that in total, it was around 2 years to collect everything I needed to supply the exam board with full evidence I needed it.
    Head of SENco at my school conducted some extra time tests which took about 2 days to complete and really I never got told what else they sent off. All I had to do was complete those tests the school did everything else for me and like within a month I got granted 25%, extra time, reader and a separate room.
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    (Original post by Tinka99)
    Curious about your thoughts.
    For the majority of people yes, it would be unfair to most of them to not have the extra time, HOWEVER there are some people who get extra time who some people may argue that they don't need it.
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    A learning disability isn't an excuse. It's well documented that people with Autism do have problems with how they understand language.
    I think it is
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    I think it is
    You have no idea how tough life can become with a disability. It's irritating when you can't concentrate in an exam thus waste valuable time, it's irritating when you find yourself processing the information much slower than others and it's not pleasant in an exam when you can't understand what the questions asking. Try living this life once then you can come and say a disability is an excuse for extra time.
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    No it isn't. Communism at its finest.
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    (Original post by Tinka99)
    You have no idea how tough life can become with a disability. It's irritating when you can't concentrate in an exam thus waste valuable time, it's irritating when you find yourself processing the information much slower than others and it's not pleasant in an exam when you can't understand what the questions asking. Try living this life once then you can come and say a disability is an excuse for extra time.
    This is so true. I wish more people could understand this before ranting on about how they want the extra time and it's unfair that we get it DESPITE we cannot handle exams without accommodations being made for us.
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    (Original post by Tinka99)
    You have no idea how tough life can become with a disability. It's irritating when you can't concentrate in an exam thus waste valuable time, it's irritating when you find yourself processing the information much slower than others and it's not pleasant in an exam when you can't understand what the questions asking. Try living this life once then you can come and say a disability is an excuse for extra time.
    I don't know you and you don't me, but everyone has been in the same posistion as you in an exam, but they just get on with it. If you can't do something as well as another person, you can mostly likely do something better than them. The purpose of an exam is to evaluate and assess an individual and so if you cannot finish an exam in time, you should be penalised for it.

    Extra time is a slap in the face to a lot of people who are under so much pressure to finish an exam. How do you think they finish? Why should YOU be an exception? I don't know your circumstances so i'm not judging you; but just the extra time system. Physical and "mental" conditions are exceptions.
    Everyone should be under the same conditions because that is what some people call a FAIR evaluation.

    Example: 2 people (Bill and Joe) hypothetically have the exact same intellect as one another, but Joe gets extra time. They both take an exam. Bill gets 36/50 and Joe gets 42/50. An A = 41/50 and a B = 35/50. Thus Joe receiving an A and Bill a B. Due to Joe's extra time he recieved a better grade even tho they
    hypothetically have the exact same intellect as one another.
    Would you call that fair?
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    (Original post by OturuDansay)
    I don't know you and you don't me, but everyone has been in the same posistion as you in an exam, but they just get on with it. If you can't do something as well as another person, you can mostly likely do something better than them. The purpose of an exam is to evaluate and assess an individual and so if you cannot finish an exam in time, you should be penalised for it.

    Extra time is a slap in the face to a lot of people who are under so much pressure to finish an exam. How do you think they finish? Why should YOU be an exception? I don't know your circumstances so i'm not judging you; but just the extra time system. Physical and "mental" conditions are exceptions.
    Everyone should be under the same conditions because that is what some people call a FAIR evaluation.

    Example: 2 people (Bill and Joe) hypothetically have the exact same intellect as one another, but Joe gets extra time. They both take an exam. Bill gets 36/50 and Joe gets 42/50. An A = 41/50 and a B = 35/50. Thus Joe receiving an A and Bill a B. Due to Joe's extra time he recieved a better grade even tho they
    hypothetically have the exact same intellect as one another.
    Would you call that fair?
    How do you know Joe receive a better grade due to extra time?

    I read slowly due to various reasons, therefore, give me the same amount if time and I'm not being tested under the same fair conditions.
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    How do you know Joe receive a better grade due to extra time?

    I read slowly due to various reasons, therefore, give me the same amount if time and I'm not being tested under the same fair conditions.
    Ummm Joe basically told me after that he answered 2 more questions in the extra time period and also he said that it took loads of pressure of him for having received more time But i do know that Joe is now gonna be called Joesaphine because he's a lil beesh by getting extra time and doing better than my main man Bill.
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    That Joe dude is pretty arogant and selfish for getting extra time... but shhhhh don't tell him i said that
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    (Original post by V ugvg jhi)
    Also, more people in private schools get extra time.Just another way to disadvantage those not from the upper class.The system is being abused by the private schools, and doesn't reflect how things would be in real life. Many people who know how to fail the test deliberately do so, to make sure they get the time without deserving it.



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    OK this just got unnecessarily rude. I go to a private school. We do not "abuse the system" - one person in my year has extra time, out of about 180. About three have supervised rest breaks. How exactly do we abuse the system? Everyone has to get diagnosed by doctors, and so do we - we do not abuse the system.
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    I am predicted 8A*s and 4 A's(and I am not the the smartest in my year) so your grades aren't a big deal.Secondly, YOU said you would fail, without extra time.

    Don't blame me for what you said.Really, extra time should just be abolished.If I knew when I was being tested by disabilities, I would have gotten extra time too. The system is subject to widespread cheating, and it is easier to be rid of it.
    This is totally unfair - how can you rid of it because of cheaters. You cannot say that everyone cheats- there are tens of thousands of children nation wide with genuine disabilities - it is totally unfair to scrap the system just because some people are cheating on it. What you should do is make it harder to cheat. Full stop.
 
 
 
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