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    (Original post by SHOO)
    Nor is Cazorla.
    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    Ox is a brilliant winger. He has the pace to beat players, the skill and power required to move the ball sufficiently, and the natural abilities to score from anywhere. I distinctly remember him hitting the bar from outside the area multiple times last season, which for an Arsenal player is unheard of (it seems to be taboo for us to shoot from outside the box, bar Giroud's Community Shield goal).
    (Original post by Peggles_*)
    Neither is Cazorla.

    He's terrible out wide, at least the Ox will scare the opposite more than Santi does.

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    It's quite obvious who Arsene values more. Santi at his best I'd still put above Ox but clearly he's been far from that recently. Age and experience is probably why Santi is picked over Ox so don't expect it to change this season unless the team is in an injury crisis, pretty much like last season..


    In no way am I saying Santi should be starting however.
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    It's quite obvious who Arsene values more. Santi at his best I'd still put above Ox but clearly he's been far from that recently. Age and experience is probably why Santi is picked over Ox so don't expect it to change this season unless the team is in an injury crisis, pretty much like last season..


    In no way am I saying Santi should be starting however.
    It's peak - because centrally Cazorla is better, and out wide Ox is better.

    Cazorla doesn't have the attributes to play out wide, that's why you'll often catch him trying to cut in and create chances - meaning we have no creativity on the left flank.. Which is why people get so irritated with cazorla because essentially, he isn't doing what's required of him.

    Ramsey was played on the wing in the 12-13 season too and look how **** he played that season?

    Ox has all the attributes of a winger, and is fearless when it comes to shooting too so I much rather prefer him on the left, regardless or what people say about his "natural position"
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    Exactly! Cazorla is possibly the worst winger option for the club, and he plays all of his best football as CAM. It makes more sense that you put the creativity down the middle, and pace down the wings (I mean come on, even Gnabry was brilliant when played as a winger). As for Campbell, it genuinely is a mystery. It is obvious Wenger wants him to be a part of the club, because he point blank refused to sell him to Galatasaray. Perhaps Campbell has an injury we don't know about, or hasn't been any good in training?
    Central players don't have the attitudes the play out wide (most of them anyway) so it just doesn't work..

    Campbell is on the bench though so :/ maybe Wenger is waiting? But for what :/ in some games we're crying out for pace LOL

    I rate Gnabry so highly, I hope he doesn't leave & remains integral to our future plans.. He's gonna be a beast
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    (Original post by SHOO)

    I rate Gnabry so highly, I hope he doesn't leave & remains integral to our future plans.. He's gonna be a beast
    what do you base this on?

    from what i've seen of him, he's certainly no Sterling or Adnan.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    what do you base this on?

    from what i've seen of him, he's certainly no Sterling or Adnan.
    How much game time has Gnabry had compared to Sterling or Adnan? They're essentially first team players for their respective clubs and Gnabry made a handful of appearences and even then he's been decisive - Assist vs spurs in the FA cup & I remember he got a winning goal (first ever for him in the PL) in jan.. Forgot against who.

    I base my opinion purely on talent & potential because there is nothing else to go by. We can't compare him to Adnan or Sterling because they play far too many more games than Gnabry.

    Gnabry can be compared to someone like Jordan Ibe.. Both young and barely get game time - in which case Gnabry is MILES ahead.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    what do you base this on?

    from what i've seen of him, he's certainly no Sterling or Adnan.
    I agree with this, I'am not a big fan of Gnabry lacks intelligence imo. Sterling or Adnan far better and technically gifted
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    I agree with this, I'am not a big fan of Gnabry lacks intelligence imo. Sterling or Adnan far better and technically gifted
    I don't think we've seen enough if him to compare him to the likes of Sterling and Adnan.

    Intelligence comes from experience and compared to the Sterling & Adnan, Gnabry barely has any..

    With time he'll develop into a beast im think

    But then again only time will tell - I hope Wenger utilises him
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    If he had Sterling's talent surely he would be playing. there is no way that sterling would be sitting on our bench as much as Gnabry does.
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    Is Januzaj even that good really? From what I saw last season, he has been living of that Sunderland game. Sterling though :eek:

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    (Original post by ArsenalWenger)
    Is Januzaj even that good really? From what I saw last season, he has been living of that Sunderland game. Sterling though :eek:
    I think Januzaj stands out because the players around him are so poor. He's got quality but he's not there yet.
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    (Original post by barneystin)
    If he had Sterling's talent surely he would be playing. there is no way that sterling would be sitting on our bench as much as Gnabry does.
    Nah course not - as it stands Sterling is a lot better than Gnabry as it stands & I wouldn't argue that. I rate him highly because of his potential and because of what he's shown thus far..

    Also, if we go back to this time last year Sterling wouldn't start over Walcott..
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    (Original post by SHOO)
    Central players don't have the attitudes the play out wide (most of them anyway) so it just doesn't work..

    Campbell is on the bench though so :/ maybe Wenger is waiting? But for what :/ in some games we're crying out for pace LOL

    I rate Gnabry so highly, I hope he doesn't leave & remains integral to our future plans.. He's gonna be a beast
    It isn't that they don't have the right attitude, it's that they don't have the right skills. Central players focus more on passing and playing through balls, creative stuff. Wingers for the most part bring the power and pace, as well as being more able to cross into the box etc. Some central players can be good on the wings, players like Sterling etc who can play both styles.

    Campbell always seems to be the perfect impact substitution but we always do Sanogo/Cazorla/Wilshere for Giroud/Chamberlain/Flamini in the 65th minute. Pathetic really considering Campbell has shown his ability.

    I know right, Gnabry has so much potential. Remember that 2-0 game vs Tottenham? Sheer class.
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    (Original post by BenAssirati)
    It isn't that they don't have the right attitude, it's that they don't have the right skills. Central players focus more on passing and playing through balls, creative stuff. Wingers for the most part bring the power and pace, as well as being more able to cross into the box etc. Some central players can be good on the wings, players like Sterling etc who can play both styles.

    Campbell always seems to be the perfect impact substitution but we always do Sanogo/Cazorla/Wilshere for Giroud/Chamberlain/Flamini in the 65th minute. Pathetic really considering Campbell has shown his ability.

    I know right, Gnabry has so much potential. Remember that 2-0 game vs Tottenham? Sheer class.
    Sorry lol, I was typing it on my phone and it autocorrected it to attitudes - I meant attributes**

    Yeaaah - I think he put in a good shift vs City too.. he created quite a few chances. He's a beast and I'm sure if he can stay injury free and get game time he'll turn into a right beast.

    Wasn't he linked with a loan move to palace?
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    (Original post by SHOO)
    Sorry lol, I was typing it on my phone and it autocorrected it to attitudes - I meant attributes**

    Yeaaah - I think he put in a good shift vs City too.. he created quite a few chances. He's a beast and I'm sure if he can stay injury free and get game time he'll turn into a right beast.

    Wasn't he linked with a loan move to palace?
    He is like the German Oxlade-Chamberlain, or at least he will be.

    Probably, all of our young players have been linked with loan moves at one point or another. I am still annoyed Jenkinson got loaned out.
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    Noticed that Wenger always has a playmaker playing on the left wing which makes his formations very unbalanced, I don't get why he does that.

    He tried to use Gervinho as a playmaker rather than like with Walcott so he was taking time on the ball which he doesn't like, he generally had to play in front of defenders. I think that Chamberlain worked well on the left when Gervinho was out in early 2012 because he can play central and in front of the defence with his skillset so he suits the left wing playmaker that Arsene likes to have so much. AOC reminds me a little bit like Ribery tbh.

    If he tries that with Sanchez I don't think it'll work too great in this formation. Reckon he should get them playing faster football this season.
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    Wenger's brilliant and everything, but some of his tactical choices have been piss poor.

    When does our FA Cup defense begin? Something tells me we'll see more of young Joel Campbell in the cups than the league this season

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    (Original post by danielnkwocha)
    Wenger's brilliant and everything, but some of his tactical choices have been piss poor.

    When does our FA Cup defense begin? Something tells me we'll see more of young Joel Campbell in the cups than the league this season

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    January is when the third round starts.
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    If you all want to see what £50m looks like, tune in to the PSG game. PSG are fielding their full team (minus Ibra), have 82% possession, yet cannot score a single goal. Looks like Cavani is really effective :yy:
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    Listen, arsenal desperately need a striker, defensive midfielder and a centre back if we want any chance mounting a serious challenge for the title or getting far in the UCL. I have watched many arsenal games, pretty much every single one, I love to analyse the way they play. I can say confidently that if Wenger puts faith on Giroud and Ramsey to get goals, we will categorically fail. Giroud doesnt strike fear into any opponents eyes, unless we play Walcott down the middle (If he can stay fit for a season) then we will never succeed against big clubs. We beed a centre forward who can turn a defender when his back is to goal, dribble, and has good link up play. Notice how I've just described the traits of our good friend Mr. Thierry Henry. Higuain would've been perfect for us, if you saw his goal the other day, not only did he show these traits, but he scored a big goal. When it counts Giroud is not the guy we can turn to. Last season he scored just 3 goals against the top 5. POOR, and what if rambo is injured? Then what?
    For me, sanchez needs a few months to settle in, great signing but if he's not going to be playing through the middle in the future, I wouldve liked wenger to have spent more time looking for where we really needed to strengthen.
    JACK WILSHERE, love his passion, hate his football. The kid is unserious about his progression. 65k a week, A lot of us on here will earn that in a year and a half. Wilshere has experience in abundance, played in the champions league against barcelona at just 17 and was the best player on the pitch, loved it. But now, what is he? A lurking shadow in the figure of Aaron Ramsey, its a real shame because i really wanted him to be the future of England. I dont feel i need to explain our defensive needs, we are desperate at the moment. Khedira would be very welcome
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    Mandzukic is such a tough nut up front. Really wish we bought him.
 
 
 
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