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    (Original post by United1892)
    Fair point.

    I agree with that, Cooper has a more central rhetoric and Burnham is trying to get second preferences from Corbyn.
    From what I can tell Cooper is actually more left-wing than Burnham. The most clear dividing line between them is their position on the banking crash - Burnham believes Labour should apologise for overspending, Cooper doesn't. Burnham's rhetoric has certainly shifted leftwards to try and steal Corbyn votes I agree.
    (Original post by United1892)
    It isn't but it is at least a policy and she hasn't outlined many of those.
    She does have a fair few actually (look on her website for a reasonable start), she's just been pretty awful at getting them across in a way people can identify her with.

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm curious for those voting in the RL election to tell me why the refugee position of Cooper is apparently a big positive for her. Since she'd not be PM for another 4+ years at best, she can't actually let them in until at least 2020 and they can't exactly wait for her.
    For me it's a case of showing she's ready to lead the opposition, something Burnham excelled at before Corbyn really began to take off.
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    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    From what I can tell Cooper is actually more left-wing than Burnham. The most clear dividing line between them is their position on the banking crash - Burnham believes Labour should apologise for overspending, Cooper doesn't. Burnham's rhetoric has certainly shifted leftwards to try and steal Corbyn votes I agree.
    Burnhams pretty much a blairite but the policies he's set out mostly forced upon are more left wing than Coopers and he'd pretty much have to stick to them.

    She does have a fair few actually (look on her website for a reasonable start), she's just been pretty awful at getting them across in a way people can identify her with.
    They're mostly very broad policy statements though. The trade union one is good but the 'confident outward looking Britain' is overly Europhilic for my liking.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Who do you think is going to be the London Mayor candidate to take on Sian Berry and Zac Goldsmith?
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I love Sadiq, I actually wanted him to run for the Leadership, but I don't think he'll win Labour's candidacy for mayor, let alone the mayoral race.
    I'm backing Sadiq (even met the man at a phone bank and secured a coveted selfie) and think he can win the candidacy.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I'm backing Sadiq (even met the man at a phone bank and secured a coveted selfie) and think he can win the candidacy.
    A selfie! How last year!
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    A selfie! How last year!
    Lol. I don't think using the front-facing camera is going to die out anytime soon.
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    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    From what I can tell Cooper is actually more left-wing than Burnham. The most clear dividing line between them is their position on the banking crash - Burnham believes Labour should apologise for overspending, Cooper doesn't. Burnham's rhetoric has certainly shifted leftwards to try and steal Corbyn votes I agree.

    She does have a fair few actually (look on her website for a reasonable start), she's just been pretty awful at getting them across in a way people can identify her with.



    For me it's a case of showing she's ready to lead the opposition, something Burnham excelled at before Corbyn really began to take off.
    I have read that they may only give corbyn one year
    Google corbyn has until may to prove himself
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    (Original post by Tahret)
    I don't quite understand how Burnham managed to throw his opportunity away to be honest. By the time Corbyn's done ruining the party, Chuka (your money away) will be ready to take the reins.
    And good for him.
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    I have read that they may only give corbyn one year
    Google corbyn has until may to prove himself
    From what I've read it sounds like 18 months rather than a year but still, not a particularly long time. I think JC needs a few rounds of elections (council, by-elections, EU etc.) with the full support of the party to prove himself. If no discernible improvement is seen, or we regress, we can't make the same mistake we did last time and be willing to go down on a sinking ship, so if 2-3 years down the line it's not looking likely that whoever the leader is will win in 2020 I'd support their removal.

    Who do you mean by 'they'? Labour is a very broad church and people like Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper have different politics to Simon Danzcuk and Liz Kendall.
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    Agree with any Sadiq love. Gutted he didn't stand for the leadership.
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    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    From what I've read it sounds like 18 months rather than a year but still, not a particularly long time. I think JC needs a few rounds of elections (council, by-elections, EU etc.) with the full support of the party to prove himself. If no discernible improvement is seen, or we regress, we can't make the same mistake we did last time and be willing to go down on a sinking ship, so if 2-3 years down the line it's not looking likely that whoever the leader is will win in 2020 I'd support their removal.

    Who do you mean by 'they'? Labour is a very broad church and people like Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper have different politics to Simon Danzcuk and Liz Kendall.
    If a certaimn amount of MPS who do not support him he will be overhauled
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    Isn't a black leader basically the one main minority group left for labour to be first at, having already lost all the others to the Tories?
    Well, I suppose there is always trans and some of the non Christian religions too.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Isn't a black leader basically the one main minority group left for labour to be first at, having already lost all the others to the Tories?
    Well, I suppose there is always trans and some of the non Christian religions too.

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    What are the other minority groups 'lost'? Female leader - Thatcher. Can't really think of any others.
    And its not a competition - let's not forget how ancient the Tory Party actually is.
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    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    Agree with any Sadiq love. Gutted he didn't stand for the leadership.
    I thought he'd make a good leader too - though I suspect he might give it a go at some point in the future.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    What are the other minority groups 'lost'? Female leader - Thatcher. Can't really think of any others.
    And its not a competition - let's not forget how ancient the Tory Party actually is.
    Possibly counting Disraeli (jewish) even though the Labour party didnt exist then.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Isn't a black leader basically the one main minority group left for labour to be first at, having already lost all the others to the Tories?
    Well, I suppose there is always trans and some of the non Christian religions too.

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    It's not like planting the flag at the North Pole, also Thatcher was anything but a feminist, I think it's fine for her to be tough to adapt to the macho environment but I really dislike the fact swathes of women consider her inspirational purely for being a women, when surely they should be looking to make the environment less macho, not accepting and beating it, like Thatcher.

    I do despise voting for a woman purely as she's a woman, that's a disgraceful attitude (which is why I loathe Cooper)

    Labour tries harder and does more for the women vote.

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    (Original post by United1892)
    Possibly counting Disraeli (jewish) even though the Labour party didnt exist then.
    But wasn't Disraeli Jewish by descent rather than religion? In that respect we had Ed Miliband.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    But wasn't Disraeli Jewish by descent rather than religion? In that respect we had Ed Miliband.
    Ed counts as a jew because his father was, does that also make him a Marxist?

    I don't believe that for a second, but the Daily Mail did
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    But wasn't Disraeli Jewish by descent rather than religion? In that respect we had Ed Miliband.
    Yes, and he converted to anglicanism when he was 12 so he qualifies less than Miliband. Then again he was first so we were 'beaten'
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    But wasn't Disraeli Jewish by descent rather than religion? In that respect we had Ed Miliband.
    Personally I don't view the Jews as a race (I don't even like the separate crime of anti-Semitism) so in that sense, unless they actually believed then no.
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    I agree with that comment but all of that will be irrelevant after the leadership election is finished as either Burngam orbyn iwill win. I do not want kendall she makes Tony Blair look left wing
    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    It's not like planting the flag at the North Pole, also Thatcher was anything but a feminist, I think it's fine for her to be tough to adapt to the macho environment but I really dislike the fact swathes of women consider her inspirational purely for being a women, when surely they should be looking to make the environment less macho, not accepting and beating it, like Thatcher.

    I do despise voting for a woman purely as she's a woman, that's a disgraceful attitude (which is why I loathe Cooper)

    Labour tries harder and does more for the women vote.

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