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    (Original post by The Financier)
    Leave continuing to gain momentum. Yougov poll today has Leave at a 4% lead on Remain at 45% vs 41%, whilst the general odds of Brexit have increased to around 28-29%. It's going to be an interesting lead-up to the vote.

    Edit: New ICM poll has Leave leading by 5%, at 48% vs 43%. The timing probably includes the general impact of the Sky questions.
    With even phone polls showing leave leads things are looking very good, but the momentum needs maintaining and if it is immigration that gave the momentum, that's something hard to carry. Alternatively it shows just how powerful project fear was when it had the government behind it.

    All we need to hope for now is for Trump to maintain his momentum.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    With even phone polls showing leave leads things are looking very good, but the momentum needs maintaining and if it is immigration that gave the momentum, that's something hard to carry. Alternatively it shows just how powerful project fear was when it had the government behind it.

    All we need to hope for now is for Trump to maintain his momentum.

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    I think that the optimism from Vote Leave is working to be fair. I mean look at Major and Cameron, they look tired, stressed, and tetchy and all they can offer is fear. When people see past the fear, Remain has nothing left. By contrast, Leave is treating people like adults, offering them facts and hope. Now, granted there isn't an economic plan as such, but a) this isn't a general election with parties ready to swoop into power and b) if Boris and Gove had produced economic plans, they would have been accused of plotting against Cameron. I don't think that people necessarily want detailed economic plans either, they just want to be assured that if we leave the EU, everything will be ok.

    I also don't think plots like this from Remain help:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36457120

    It makes it look like Parliament won't accept the result and moreover looks like conspiracy to stay within the EU's grasp come what may - we all know what the Cruz-Kasich tie up in Indiana did, it simply pushed more voters to Trump and I suspect the same will happen with this move.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    I think that the optimism from Vote Leave is working to be fair. I mean look at Major and Cameron, they look tired, stressed, and tetchy and all they can offer is fear. When people see past the fear, Remain has nothing left. By contrast, Leave is treating people like adults, offering them facts and hope. Now, granted there isn't an economic plan as such, but a) this isn't a general election with parties ready to swoop into power and b) if Boris and Gove had produced economic plans, they would have been accused of plotting against Cameron. I don't think that people necessarily want detailed economic plans either, they just want to be assured that if we leave the EU, everything will be ok.

    I also don't think plots like this from Remain help:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36457120

    It makes it look like Parliament won't accept the result and moreover looks like conspiracy to stay within the EU's grasp come what may - we all know what the Cruz-Kasich tie up in Indiana did, it simply pushed more voters to Trump and I suspect the same will happen with this move.
    That would quite easily lead to a UKIP largest party if it happened near enough to the next election. And yes, I think Gove handled the lack of detailed economic plan well saying that it is the job of the government rather than the campaign, people should be asking the remainians what deal they would go for given they're the ones making it, but naturally they would lie.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That would quite easily lead to a UKIP largest party if it happened near enough to the next election. And yes, I think Gove handled the lack of detailed economic plan well saying that it is the job of the government rather than the campaign, people should be asking the remainians what deal they would go for given they're the ones making it, but naturally they would lie.

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    Just seen one of the lecturers in my department back Brexit as well - caused a bit of consternation with another colleague, but good to see that there is appetite for Brexit, however small, among those in university as well.
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    I amazingly had someone who supports remain try to convince me to vote remain as it would affect my chances of going to qatar
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    I just found out that not only is today 72 years since the beginning of the main push for the liberation of Europe, or D-day, but also 10 years since the Falador Massacre.

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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha

    Apparently Cameron's latest thing is that campaigning to leave is undemocratic...

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha

    Apparently Cameron's latest thing is that campaigning to leave is undemocratic...

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    Cameron's an absolute disgrace - can't wait to vote leave in just over two weeks.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That would quite easily lead to a UKIP largest party if it happened near enough to the next election. And yes, I think Gove handled the lack of detailed economic plan well saying that it is the job of the government rather than the campaign, people should be asking the remainians what deal they would go for given they're the ones making it, but naturally they would lie.

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    Whether or not the idea of Parliament insisting on us keeping in the single market is true or not, if we vote to Leave then Parliament will have little time for anything other than the terms of our exit for most of the rest of the RL term to 2020. Other than picking up the pieces from the dip the economy will have, and the loss of tax income.
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    I have decided trying to get through to TfL is harder than sitting an exam for which you don't even study.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Whether or not the idea of Parliament insisting on us keeping in the single market is true or not, if we vote to Leave then Parliament will have little time for anything other than the terms of our exit for most of the rest of the RL term to 2020. Other than picking up the pieces from the dip the economy will have, and the loss of tax income.
    Parliament itself shouldn't get too hung up on it, but if they spend less time actually legislating that's not a bad thing.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Would anyone support a bill to bring back corporal punishment in schools and to force children to swear allegiance to the monarchy and the country as well as singing the national anthem everyday at school ? and refusal to do so shall result in a beating ?
    I do hope you are joking. Nationalism is awful we need internationalism


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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Would anyone support a bill to bring back corporal punishment in schools and to force children to swear allegiance to the monarchy and the country as well as singing the national anthem everyday at school ? and refusal to do so shall result in a beating ?
    I do hope you are joking. Nationalism is awful we need internationalism:jive:


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    (Original post by Aph)
    I do hope you are joking. Nationalism is awful we need internationalism:jive:


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    I'm Joking :laugh:
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Would anyone support a bill to bring back corporal punishment in schools and to force children to swear allegiance to the monarchy and the country as well as singing the national anthem everyday at school ? and refusal to do so shall result in a beating ?
    Corporal punishment, absolutely.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Teacher - " What are your political views "
    Student " I'm a Socialist "
    Teacher - Smacks child around the head , then on the desk

    This ?
    Pretty much!
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Teacher - " What are your political views "
    Student " I'm a Socialist "
    Teacher - Smacks child around the head , then on the desk

    This ?
    It wouldn't work look at the views of most students, teachers would use it against anyone who leans slightly right
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    It wouldn't work look at the views of most students, teachers would use it against anyone who leans slightly right
    Speaking of which, was on the train earlier, and two old people sat opposite and next to me, and started basically bashing the Tories, and saying how any young person who wants to vote out, are ill informed and ignorant. And also how great Corbyn is (let me be sick!) Felt like getting into a heated argument there and then, however, my book I was reading was too engrossing!
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    It wouldn't work look at the views of most students, teachers would use it against anyone who leans slightly right
    I think the teachers would rather keep their jobs.

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    https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/res...6900127/gender

    Interesting that according to yougov the uk is more socialist than capitalist.
 
 
 
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